On 11/14/2013 01:13 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 2013-11-14, o godz. 07:49:55
> Patrick Lauer napisał(a):
>
>> On 11/13/2013 11:02 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
>>
>>> It's also worth pointing out that the whole reason why abi_x86_32 is
>>> {package.,}use.stable.masked is because trying to manage
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>
> So just "fix it as problems appear and/or we have some spare time" ...
Have any problems appeared that impact anybody who hasn't tried to
take advantage of the new multilib features (ie modified their config
files/etc)?
>
> Well, you acci
On 14 November 2013 13:13, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 2013-11-14, o godz. 07:49:55
> Patrick Lauer napisał(a):
>
>> On 11/13/2013 11:02 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
>>
>> > It's also worth pointing out that the whole reason why abi_x86_32 is
>> > {package.,}use.stable.masked is because trying to m
On 11/14/2013 08:13 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>>
>> So just "fix it as problems appear and/or we have some spare time" ...
>
> Have any problems appeared that impact anybody who hasn't tried to
> take advantage of the new multilib features (ie
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 14 November 2013 13:13, Michał Górny wrote:
>>
>> And how is it possible to discuss anything properly in Gentoo?
>
> That's because we have no proper leadership. We're an anarchistic
> collection of people working at cross-purposes at the
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>
> Apart from me masking a few things because portage couldn't figure out a
> way to a consistent state, and all that ...
That is vague. It may be true, but it does nothing to help anybody
understand what is going on. I haven't had to mask
On 14 November 2013 20:32, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> On 14 November 2013 13:13, Michał Górny wrote:
>>>
>>> And how is it possible to discuss anything properly in Gentoo?
>>
>> That's because we have no proper leadership. We're an anarchistic
>
Il 14/11/2013 05:38, Johann Schmitz ha scritto:
> >> long story short having a portage-20130126.tar.bz2 snapshot
> >> (before the EAPI 5 switch) greatly simplified the upgrade of an
> >> old server on a client.
>
>
> Updating from old portage versions or
> profiles isn't fun but it basically boil
Il 13/11/2013 20:12, Rich Freeman ha scritto:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Francesco R. wrote:
>> long story short
>> having a portage-20130126.tar.bz2 snapshot (before the EAPI 5 switch)
>> greatly simplified the upgrade of an old server on a client.
>>
>> Why not keep a copy on the server
Am Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:12:24 -0500
schrieb Rich Freeman :
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Francesco R.
> wrote:
> >
> > long story short
> > having a portage-20130126.tar.bz2 snapshot (before the EAPI 5
> > switch) greatly simplified the upgrade of an old server on a client.
> >
> > Why not k
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Francesco R. wrote:
> Rich, that made me smile, none of my remote machine has cvs since a
> _very_ long time say 2006.
> We are speaking of box that have troubles to emerging anything new, plus
> me and most of the internet barely remember cvs up :)
You don't nee
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> I said
> As it is always happy to point out, Council doesn't see itself as
> leadership, just as a supreme court of appeal, when everything else
> seems to have failed. It likes to get involved as little as possible.
The last time I talked
On 14 November 2013 23:12, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
>>> I said
>> As it is always happy to point out, Council doesn't see itself as
>> leadership, just as a supreme court of appeal, when everything else
>> seems to have failed. It likes to get in
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> I was particularly hit by this as maintainer of freetype, see bugs
> 455070 and 459352 for some of the mess that could have been avoided.
Looks like 455070 was the source of problems there (the other is just
a tracker with the aftermath). T
Dnia 2013-11-14, o godz. 20:03:36
Patrick Lauer napisał(a):
> On 11/14/2013 01:13 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Multilib_porting_status
> >
> > That's the closest thing to a roadmap.
>
> So just "fix it as problems appear and/or we have some spare time" ...
You could
Rich Freeman schrieb:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>>
>> So just "fix it as problems appear and/or we have some spare time" ...
>
> Have any problems appeared that impact anybody who hasn't tried to
> take advantage of the new multilib features (ie modified their config
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:07:39 +0100
Thomas Sachau wrote:
> - multilib-portage was planned to add features with a future EAPI
> version, so in the end needs agreement from maintainers of package
> managers, the pms team and the council. If anyone from those groups
> only claims "you wrote so much, b
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> I wasn't aware last-riting had become general policy. It was originally
> started by the treecleaner team to give people time to object to
> maintainer-needed removals, and others thought it was a good idea, but it
> was
> always up to the disc
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On 14/11/13 08:19 AM, Lars Wendler wrote:
> Once you go the route to use mirror://gentoo in ebuilds as
> SRC_URI people are screwed as soon as the ebuild vanishes from
> portage. I'd love to see this (mis-)behavior being more vigorously
> disco
New try:
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Author: Pacho Ramos
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On 11/15/2013 01:51 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
>>> So tell me, what you exactly want or need? Or is it just bare
>>> complaining for the sake of complaining?
>>
>> Well, you accidentally cut out all references to TommyD's work again.
>> Almost as if you don't even want to discuss a working proper sol
On 11/15/2013 03:35 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:07:39 +0100
> Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> - multilib-portage was planned to add features with a future EAPI
>> version, so in the end needs agreement from maintainers of package
>> managers, the pms team and the council. If anyone
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
>
> We are pleased to announce the stabilization of GNOME-3.8. Users are
> strongly encouraged to read the GNOME 3.8 Upgrade Guide to avoid any
> possible issues relating to the upgrade. The guide will also show you
> how to migrate to systemd as
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Martin Vaeth
wrote:
> The new "features" use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask
> have turned maintaining systems with mixed ARCH and ~ARCH keywords
> into a nightmare:
I agree. I have helped two friends convert to Gentoo recently (one
used it a few years ago
On 15 November 2013 17:56, Matt Turner wrote:
> After using it for a month, he's now convinced that
> Gentoo is clearly the most difficult to use.
>
> I'm inclined to agree,
I'd have to disagree there slightly, arch is more easy to use if you
stick to the core set, the binary packages ... as is
On 15 November 2013 01:32, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> I was particularly hit by this as maintainer of freetype, see bugs
>> 455070 and 459352 for some of the mess that could have been avoided.
>
> Looks like 455070 was the source of problems the
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013, Ben de Groot wrote:
> As I see it now, with respect to multilib, we have three competing
> solutions, but not a clear direction which way we want to go as a
> distro:
> 1: emul-* packages
> 2: multilib-portage
> 3: multilib.eclass
> I would like to vote for option 1, a
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