[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due nelchael retirement

2012-12-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
app-editors/scite app-i18n/man-pages-pl dev-cpp/gflags dev-libs/protobuf dev-python/python-gflags net-misc/openntpd net-misc/pump net-misc/sipcalc sys-block/mpt-status sys-power/hibernate-script sys-power/ncpufreqd www-apache/mod_cband x11-terms/mrxvt Thanks for taking care of them signature.as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due nelchael retirement

2012-12-16 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:22:25 +0100 Pacho Ramos wrote: > dev-python/python-gflags The Python team will take care of that one. But if someone's taking gflags itself, feel free to add yourself as well. -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due nelchael retirement

2012-12-16 Thread Markos Chandras
On 16 December 2012 14:22, Pacho Ramos wrote: > sys-power/hibernate-script I can take that, but if anyone else wants to help, feel free to do so -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due nelchael retirement

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2012 09:22 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > net-misc/openntpd This one's easy, I could proxy-maintain it. These two are also maintainer-needed: * app-doc/djbdns-man I'm maintaining djbdns, so I suppose I should have this one too. On the o

[gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation and maybe give the webpage a makeover? Marketing is a big part of the problem. 1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org. Tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. I > don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's important. It doesn't, and it's not. -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level signature.asc Descript

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. >> I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's >> important. > > It

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 16-12-2012 12:20:10 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > Many new developers who want to contribute to to some project will > learn git, because a large number of important projects use git. No > (new) developers are going to learn CVS. Ever. > > Therefore, we can rule out "using CVS is helping us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 16/12/12 18:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote: 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's important. Meh. I actually like CVS and it's very suitable for gentoo-x86 tree. However, if enough people want a change

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2012 12:23 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 16-12-2012 12:20:10 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> Many new developers who want to contribute to to some project >> will learn git, because a large number of important projects use >> git. No (new)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Damien Levac
I completely agree, myself, I want to become a developer, but since the information looks so scattered, I decided to wait until summer to have all the required time to find/read all relevant documentation and foillow up with the recruitment process (which seems to be somehow 'non-trivial'). As an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 16-12-2012 12:40:23 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > Actually, I agree with this. But lots of people who are capable of > learning CVS just don't want to, since it's (soon to be) a useless > skill and perceived as a waste of time. Requiring everyone to do so is > a disincentive -- that's all tha

[gentoo-dev] Re: Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Duncan
Michael Orlitzky posted on Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:20:10 -0500 as excerpted: > On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: >> On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. >>> I don't know how this fits into my bullet list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Kacper Kowalik
On 16.12.2012 18:20, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: >> On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. >>> I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's >>> important. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
> 1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org. > That's impressive-bad. > > People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all > the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable. No one > would suspect that anything has changed, th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Markos Chandras
On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use > some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation Recruitment documentatiob? What does that mean? > People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use >> some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation > > Recruitment documentatiob? What does th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: >> On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use >>> some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitmen

[gentoo-dev] Re: Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Duncan
Damien Levac posted on Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:49:03 -0500 as excerpted: > As an aside, which may or may not reflect the view of other potential > candidates, even though I use git for my personal projects, having to > learn CVS would not be an issue if I'm already willing to learn > everything else.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due nelchael retirement

2012-12-16 Thread Tim Harder
On 2012-12-16 Sun 06:22, Pacho Ramos wrote: dev-libs/protobuf I'll take this since I already maintain protobuf-c. Tim pgpgjSAUrAAzt.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due nelchael retirement

2012-12-16 Thread Christoph Junghans
2012/12/16 Pacho Ramos : > net-misc/openntpd I take this. -- Christoph Junghans http://dev.gentoo.org/~ottxor/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:43:52 +0100 Kacper Kowalik wrote: > On 16.12.2012 18:20, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > >> On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >>> 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. > >>> I don'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michał Górny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:20:10 -0500 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > > On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> 3. Get off CVS for Christ

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Richard Yao
On 12/16/2012 12:20 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: >> On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. >>> I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's >>> important.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 16-12-2012 a las 12:49 -0500, Damien Levac escribió: > I completely agree, myself, I want to become a developer, but since the > information looks so scattered, I decided to wait until summer to have > all the required time to find/read all relevant documentation and > foillow up with the r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Damien Levac
This is funny, because after replying to the list, I actually wrote myself a script to extract that manual from the website into pdf. I should start reading soon... after my other book... xD Damien On 12/16/12 17:34, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El dom, 16-12-2012 a las 12:49 -0500, Damien Levac escribió

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/16/2012 01:27 PM, Duncan wrote: > Michael Orlitzky posted on Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:20:10 -0500 as excerpted: > >> On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: >>> On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/16/12 16:32, Michał Górny wrote: > > Get off powerpoint for your god of choice's sake. Nobody wants to work > with that (well, everybody I meet outside actually wants but > whatever) :P. Sorry, couldn't resist. > I was hoping nobody would call my bluff. This is the only avenue available to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/16/12 13:53, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> 1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org. >> That's impressive-bad. >> >> People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all >> the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable. No one >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use >> some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation > > Recruitment documentatiob? What does that mean? > >>

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2012-12-16 23h59 UTC

2012-12-16 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2012-12-16 23h59 UTC. Removals: dev-ruby/ruby-bsearch 2012-12-10 18:49:29 graaff net-misc/ptunnel2012-12-10 21:27:03 dastergon Additions: kde

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 12/17/12 08:10, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote: >> On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use >>> some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation >> >> Recr

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev distro vs upstream choices

2012-12-16 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:35:44PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote: > On 12/15/2012 10:03 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:10:22PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote: > >> On 12/15/2012 06:02 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > >>> All, > >>> > >>> what are the specific choices I made in udev that are

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev distro vs upstream choices

2012-12-16 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/12/12 09:55 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:35:44PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote: >> On 12/15/2012 10:03 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:10:22PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote: On 12/15/2012 06:02 PM, Wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Sun, 2012-12-16 at 19:10 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote: ... > This guy posted a graph the other day: > > http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org/wp-content/uploads/recruitment_stats.png > HA, HA, that's a good one... quote the the above link to the guy th