[gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

Hello Trying to move the following bug to upstream: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 He replied the following: "libtool doesn't support parallel make installs. Please file a bug upstream." https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28108#c1 Is it true? Should -j1 be forced then f

[gentoo-dev] QA last rites for sci-biology/mpiblast

# Diego E. Pettenò (16 Jun 2010) # on behalf of QA team # # Has a number of QA issues, see bug #278192. Build happens # in src_test or src_install, and it has been failing since # July 2009 in the tinderbox. No reverse dependencies to # take into consideration. # # Removal on 2010-08-15 sci-biol

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group

Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > I propose that this license be added to the EULA group. The previous > AdobeFlash-10 license is similar in this regard, and could possibly > also be added to that group. Agreed, on both points, and done. Thanks for finding and airing this issue! > One nota

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group

On 16-06-2010 14:40, Jim Ramsay wrote: > Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: >> I propose that this license be added to the EULA group. The previous >> AdobeFlash-10 license is similar in this regard, and could possibly >> also be added to that group. > > Agreed, on both points, and done. Thank

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. That's a conclusion firs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the > atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. This is really sad. And the kind of people who value that often make good developers if they also have good technical skills. > I h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 16-06-2010 18:39, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the >> atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. You are not the only one hearing that. If we jump over our own fences, that will

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

On 05/06/2010 01:00, Torsten Veller wrote: Hello fellow developers and users. ... I'd like to nominate Amne, dsd and Antarus G

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: >> >> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 >> Sebastian Pipping  wrote: >> >>> Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. >>> >>> As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

On 06/16/2010 09:18 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 Sebastian Pippingwrote: Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. As I have heard there are people not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 07:15:09PM +0100, George Prowse wrote: > I'd like to nominate Amne, dsd and Antarus Thanks for the nomination, but i'll decline. cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org Gentoo Forums - http://forums.gentoo.org forum-mods (at) gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > Trying to move the following bug to upstream: > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 > > He replied the following: > "libtool doesn't support parallel make installs. Please file a bug > upstream." > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:36:31 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Those replies are a good example of the rude behavior the poster is > referring to. The replies consisted of sarcastic questions in > "you're an idiot" style. The only thing they do is trying to trigger > a hostile response from the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

El mié, 16-06-2010 a las 15:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > Trying to move the following bug to upstream: > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 > > > > He replied the following: > > "libtool doesn't support parallel make insta

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

On 2010.06.16 16:36, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 > > Sebastian Pipping wrote: > > > >> Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. > >> > >> As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the > >> atmo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El mié, 16-06-2010 a las 15:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: >> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: >> > Trying to move the following bug to upstream: >> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 >> > >> > He replied the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

В Срд, 16/06/2010 в 13:41 +0200, Pacho Ramos пишет: > Trying to move the following bug to upstream: > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 AFAIR this was never libtool bug, but automake and with recent enough automake (1.10 for sure) everything should just work. -- Peter.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Peter Volkov wrote: > В Срд, 16/06/2010 в 13:41 +0200, Pacho Ramos пишет: >> Trying to move the following bug to upstream: >> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 > > AFAIR this was never libtool bug, but automake and with recent enough > automake (1.10 for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Does libtool really support parallel make installs?

В Срд, 16/06/2010 в 17:21 -0400, Mike Frysinger пишет: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Peter Volkov wrote: > > В Срд, 16/06/2010 в 13:41 +0200, Pacho Ramos пишет: > >> Trying to move the following bug to upstream: > >> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253862 > > > > AFAIR this was never li

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 06/16/10 07:43, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > That's a conclusion first, then a premise? "Tone is not a strength of Gentoo" is my own obserservation. Please be more verbose - I fail to understand the core of your question. >> - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be >>a friendl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

Roy, On 06/16/10 21:40, Roy Bamford wrote: > As a native English speaker (from England) I view Jers reply as terse > and to the point, completely lacking in tone. interesting. Looking at the sentence "When did you point this out to devrel?" I would like to say that while it's not impolite

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

Angelo, On 06/16/10 19:07, Angelo Arrifano wrote: > I've seen some bugs [sorry no references right now] where some > developers point out facts in a *very* aggressive way. bug replies, yes! I remember replies like "you obviously have no clue how xzz works" from developer to developer on a b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

Pawel, On 06/16/10 18:39, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: >> I have searched a few places for rules on tone, > > I believe one can't solve this problem by using rules. any ideas what could help? > We need leadership. I remember very well when the leader of one of the > Gentoo projects I participat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

Nikos, thanks for speaking up on this matter. I encourage more Gentoo users to make them heard with this. Best, Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 06/16/2010 04:47 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Pawel, On 06/16/10 18:39, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: I have searched a few places for rules on tone, I believe one can't solve this problem by using rules. any ideas what could help? Well, I'm all about practical ideas,

[gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

Hello! yngwin's devaway message still reads "inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue". yngwin retired. I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him retire but I definitely say that _DevRel failed on his case_. I believe I had enough insight to be able to say. I would like to p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16-06-2010 16:39, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel >>is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? > > I think the initiative i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

Jeroen, On 06/16/10 21:31, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > 1) that there are probably some good examples of the bad tone that sping > referred to, perhaps in the devrel/userrel domain and therefore not > initially public, and that unless those projects fail (to uphold the > CoC), we should probably not b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16-06-2010 05:03, Alec Warner wrote: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> Could it be we expect perfection from each other instead seeking to >> understand and complement each other? What can we do to make Gentoo a >> fri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

Jorge, On 06/17/10 02:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > There was a mostly silent agreement between some teams, including > DevRel, UserRel, Council and Trustees, that after the Proctors project > was terminated, the enforcement of the CoC, including any moderation or > banning actions, wou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

Jorge, On 06/17/10 02:14, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > Sebastian, I understand your concern, but as Alec puts it, we have gone > a long way since the 2007-2008 low regarding this type of behaviour. > I'm not advocating that communication in Gentoo mediums has become > perfect, but I don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17-06-2010 00:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Hello! > > > yngwin's devaway message still reads > > "inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue". > > yngwin retired. I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him > retire but I definit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >  4) Disallow membership with both the conflict resolution group >    and the council at the same time (as the council is where issues >    with devrel are taken to). i have yet to see this being necessary. the one or two times there was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:00:21 +0200, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > > yngwin's devaway message still reads > > "inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue". > > yngwin retired. I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him > retire but I definitely say that _DevRel failed on his case_. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17-06-2010 00:17, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Jorge, > > > On 06/17/10 02:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: >> There was a mostly silent agreement between some teams, including >> DevRel, UserRel, Council and Trustees, that after the Proctors p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

On 17 June 2010 02:33, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > On 17-06-2010 00:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> yngwin's devaway message still reads >> >>   "inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue". >> >> yngwin retired.  I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him >> retire but I defin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 17 June 2010 02:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > On 16-06-2010 16:39, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: >> On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >>>  - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel >>>    is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? >> >> I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 20:14, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > There are a few cases where people could and should improve their > behaviour, but let's not forget we're a technical community and so it's > imho an illusion to expect us to have a "hugs and kisses" tone. But yes, > everyone parti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:14:28 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 06/16/10 07:43, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > That's a conclusion first, then a premise? > > "Tone is not a strength of Gentoo" is my own obserservation. > Please be more verbose - I fail to understand the core of your > question. I w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:39:01 -0400 Joseph Jezak wrote: > Your preferred method is exactly how (as a ppc keyworder) I like to > see these kind of bugs handled. Dropping keywords makes an awful lot > more work for us and hurts our users, especially since we're not > always very prompt at handling b

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] toolchain-funcs.eclass: functions to call compiler

On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:41:00 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote: > there are implicit rules for generating archives, but iirc, they dont > work in parallel. The buggy[1] implicit make rule generates parallel calls to ar(1) for each file to add, instead of doing the obvious and calling ar once with multip

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

Paweł Hajdan, Jr. posted on Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:39:18 +0200 as excerpted: > We need leadership. I remember very well when the leader of one of the > Gentoo projects I participate in reminded me to always say "thanks" to > people who are helping us on Bugzilla. A small thing, but wasn't he > right?

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

Sebastian Pipping posted on Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:33:25 +0200 as excerpted: > On 06/16/10 21:40, Roy Bamford wrote: >> As a native English speaker (from England) I view Jers reply as terse >> and to the point, completely lacking in tone. > > interesting. Looking at the sentence > > "When did yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Ryan Hill wrote: > I'd like to nominate betelgeuse, calchan, and ssuominen (no way you're getting > out of here that easy). Thanks a lot for your confidence but I'll pass. Denis.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 6/17/10 3:13 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> There was a mostly silent agreement between some teams, [...] > This is very worrying. Such things should never be a silent agreement. > This needs to be open and transparent. This is policy that needs to be > explicit. +100 I think we should pay more at

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

On 6/17/10 12:47 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 06/16/10 18:39, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: >> I believe one can't solve this problem by using rules. > any ideas what could help? I think the "How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People" presentation may be helpful here. Summary: