[gentoo-dev] Unification of variables used within SCM eclasses

2010-03-24 Thread Michał Górny
As suggested by ssuominen on bug #311101, I am posting the issue to the mailing list. Currently, various SCM eclasses differ very much in the subset of features and control variables implemented. The idea is to establish a single subset of such variables and rules for all SCM eclasses to follow, a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): > On 23 March 2010 20:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > wrote: > > I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon. > > As mentioned in the other thread, this news item should mention > that users who do not need python-3 should m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): >> On 23 March 2010 20:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis >> wrote: >> > I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon. >> >> As mentioned in the other thread, th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): > > As mentioned in the other thread, this news item should mention > > that users who do not need python-3 should mask it locally to > > prevent it from being pulled into

[gentoo-dev] Re: Unification of variables used within SCM eclasses

2010-03-24 Thread Duncan
Michał Górny posted on Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:28:38 +0100 as excerpted: > As suggested by ssuominen on bug #311101, I am posting the issue to the > mailing list. > > Currently, various SCM eclasses differ very much in the subset of > features and control variables implemented. The idea is to establi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100 > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > > 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): > > > As mentioned in the other thread, this news item should mention > > > that users who do not need python-3 shoul

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-24 17:56:48 Ben de Groot napisał(a): > On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > wrote: > > 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): > >> On 23 March 2010 20:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > >> wrote: > >> > I'm attaching updated news item, which will be c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100 > > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > > Python maintainers do not recommend to mask Python 3. > > > > But everyone e

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 March 2010 18:23, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2010-03-24 17:56:48 Ben de Groot napisał(a): >> On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis >> wrote: >> > 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): >> >> On 23 March 2010 20:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Ara

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Joshua Saddler wrote: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100 > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > >> 2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): >> > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100 >> > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: >> > > Python main

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 24 March 2010 18:23, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > wrote: >> 2010-03-24 17:56:48 Ben de Groot napisał(a): >>> On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis >>> wrote: >>> > 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Doktor Notor
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:35:21 +0100 Ben de Groot wrote: > I'll take that as a yes then, you are indeed disregarding the concerns > and recommendations of your fellow Gentoo developers. > > CC'ing devrel because this is getting out of hand. Looks like an extremely "productive" thread... /me poin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-24 18:32:37 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100 > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > > 2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): > > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100 > > > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > > > Python maintaine

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler wrote: >> > But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . . >> >> Some Gentoo developers/users, who aren't Python maintainers, said that >> they didn't object to have Python 3 installed. > > They're in the minority, judging by the replies in this th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 3/24/10 6:35 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> All valid concerns about text already included in the news item have been >> addressed. We don't need to include any unofficial recommendations. > > I'll take that as a yes then, you are indeed disregarding the concerns > and recommendations of your fello

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 24.03.2010 18:45, schrieb Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis: > 2010-03-24 18:32:37 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100 >> Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: >>> Some Gentoo developers/users, who aren't Python maintainers, said that >>> they didn't object

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-23 20:57:33 Jonathan Callen napisał(a): > On 03/23/2010 03:13 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon. > > > > A couple grammar issues: > > -modules, which support both Python 2 and Python 3, are installed for both >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-24 18:51:48 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. napisał(a): > On 3/24/10 6:35 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: > >> All valid concerns about text already included in the news item have been > >> addressed. We don't need to include any unofficial recommendations. > > > > I'll take that as a yes then, you are indeed d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler > wrote: > >> > But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . . Really? I've seen a few people object, but not everyone in gentoo. > >> > >> Some Gentoo developers/users, who aren't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There is > no reason to waste Council's time for decision on what sentence should > be included in the news item. Not the folks running the stable tree, be

[gentoo-dev] when to use a function and an implementation use flag.

2010-03-24 Thread Peter Hjalmarsson
I took a look at qemu-kvm and found something I percieve as funny: It had a gnutls use-flag, but no ssl useflag. As I see it is I want ssl/tls support it should be sufficient to enable USE="ssl" and let the maintainer of said ebuild decide which implementation (if more then one) I am better off wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Richard Freeman
On 03/24/2010 02:28 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There is no reason to waste Council's time for decision on what sentence should be included in the news item.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 March 2010 19:41, Richard Freeman wrote: > On 03/24/2010 02:28 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: >> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar >> Arahesis  wrote: >>> >>> People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There >>> is no reason to waste Council's tim

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:41:28PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: > On 03/24/2010 02:28 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar > > Arahesis wrote: > >> People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There > >> is no reason to waste

[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:03:34 -0500 as excerpted: > If users do not want python-3 on > their systems, that is what /etc/portage/package.mask is for. I think pretty much everyone agrees with that. What we're debating is whether the stabling news item should specifically menti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Thomas Sachau
Am 24.03.2010 19:03, schrieb William Hubbs: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote: >> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler >> wrote: > But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . . > > Really? I've seen a few people object, but not everyone in gentoo. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 08:57:20PM +0100, Thomas Sachau wrote: > Am 24.03.2010 19:03, schrieb William Hubbs: > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler > >> wrote: > > But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . .

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs wrote: > If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used as the > default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it, we have > done our job imho.  In other words, this is just a matter of informing > users. We agree that this is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs wrote: > > If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used as the > > default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it, we have > > done our job imho.  In other wor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs wrote: > > If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used as the > > default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it, we have > > done our job imho.  In other wor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:12:55 -0500 William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > > We agree that this is the minimum that should be done. But our > > Python lead stubbornly refuses to honor this reasonable request. > > On the other hand, I can see his p