Am 24.03.2010 19:03, schrieb William Hubbs: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +0000, Jeremy Olexa wrote: >> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler <nightmo...@gentoo.org> >> wrote: >>>>> But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . . > > Really? I've seen a few people object, but not everyone in gentoo. > >>>> >>>> Some Gentoo developers/users, who aren't Python maintainers, said that >>>> they didn't object to have Python 3 installed. >>> >>> They're in the minority, judging by the replies in this thread. >> >> I hate to get into the mix of this, but I suggest researching on "vocal >> minority" and/or "silent majority" - the most vocal ones on this thread are >> the minority of the population. I'm not attacking anyone, mind you. >> >> I haven't expressed anything on this thread but I'm ok with marking it >> stable and having concerned users mask it. The stages might get kinda funky >> with both python-2 and 3 on them, but..if they are not BROKEN, I don't >> care. > > I tend to agree with this. I don't think it is right to force everyone > to wait until most of the tree works with python3 before it goes stable. > That is why python is slotted; it is possible to have both versions > installed at the same time. If we have packages in the tree that are > pulling in both versions of python but are not compatible with them, > their dependencies need to be fixed. If users do not want python-3 on > their systems, that is what /etc/portage/package.mask is for. > > If we are going to make everyone wait until python-3 works with most > packages in the tree, let's un-slot all versionf of python and hard mask > python-3. > > William >
Who said, that we are against a stable python-3 version? The main point (as already pointed out in my previous thread about python-3) is, that it is not in any way required or used. But there are still wrong dependencies (where Arfrever just closes bugs as invalid) and packages like the mentioned "setuptools", which will always pull in python-3. Why should we pull in python-3 for ever user, force the usual user to install a useless python-3 and additional files in python-3 path for many python packages? The minimum would be to tell them, that this python version is currently useless and they have the option to mask it locally. And i really dont think, that the default stable user knows, that python-3 is not really needed and can be masked, usually the pulled in dependencies are required, so he will expect the same for python-3. -- Thomas Sachau Gentoo Linux Developer
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