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2009-05-05 Thread Antonio Quartulli
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Richard Freeman
Markos Chandras wrote: Even a "volunteer-driven" organization needs some "standard" rules in order to survive. From time to time this "volunteer" moto is what some people consider as "anarchy" As far as survival goes - I think the rumors of Gentoo's death are greatly exaggerated. I certain

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 16:50:47 Richard Freeman wrote: > Markos Chandras wrote: > > Even a "volunteer-driven" organization needs some "standard" rules in > > order to survive. From time to time this "volunteer" moto is what some > > people consider as "anarchy" > > As far as survival goes - I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! On Tue, 05 May 2009, Markos Chandras wrote: > Arch teams, according to their project pages, are in a good shape. Major > arches have enough people ( assuming that the project pages are up2date ) If I keel over and armin76 is stuck in work/'versity, the alpha dev count is 0. Not exactly good

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Thomas Anderson
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:06:43PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Tuesday 05 May 2009 16:50:47 Richard Freeman wrote: > > Arch > > teams seem to be generally doing a good job keeping up with STABLEREQs > > on the major archs - if you use a minor arch that isn't as well > > supported I'm sure we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Sergio D . Rodríguez Inclan
Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. -- Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan - http://srinclan.wordpress.com Linux User #446728 -->

[gentoo-dev] Re: Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Duncan
Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan posted f01ff58b0905050926o74ddf373l85a1c49a6a32...@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Tue, 05 May 2009 12:26:23 -0400: > Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see > what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. Actually, the variou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:00 Thomas Anderson wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:06:43PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: > > On Tuesday 05 May 2009 16:50:47 Richard Freeman wrote: > > > Arch > > > teams seem to be generally doing a good job keeping up with STABLEREQs > > > on the major archs - if

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:23 Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan wrote: > Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what > is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. Publish where? Blogs? mailing list? Forums? we dont have a centralized way to inform users about such is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Robert Bridge
Markos Chandras wrote: Some one could say "Post it on gentoo.org homepage". I wonder if users ever visit that page to read gentoo news :\ I can safely say that some never do... RobbieAB

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:00 Thomas Anderson wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:06:43PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 16:50:47 Richard Freeman wrote: Arch teams seem to be generally doing a good job keeping up with STABLEREQs on the major archs -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Mounir Lamouri
Markos Chandras wrote: > On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:23 Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan wrote: > >> Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what >> is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. >> > [snip] > > Some one could say "Post it on gentoo.org homepage".

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:52:34 George Prowse wrote: > Is all this "help needed" stuff that ordinary users can help out with? > If so dont people go and ask for help in the forums? I assume that this recruitment process does not address to every single gentoo user but to those who actually have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 20:03:58 Mounir Lamouri wrote: > Markos Chandras wrote: > > On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:23 Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan wrote: > >> Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see > >> what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. > > > > [snip] >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Thomas Sachau
George Prowse schrieb: > Thomas Sachau wrote: >> For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with >> ebuilds, there is already an option: >> >> Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the >> documentation from the topic. The >> Sunrise Overlay (with the #gen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Thomas Sachau wrote: George Prowse schrieb: Thomas Sachau wrote: For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with ebuilds, there is already an option: Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the documentation from the topic. The Sunrise Overlay (with th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 George Prowse wrote: > If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly > with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to > walk people through how and what it means to be a Gentoo Developer > then the influx could create a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 George Prowse wrote: If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to walk people through how and what it means to be a Gentoo Developer then the infl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 05 May 2009 19:11:02 +0100 George Prowse wrote: > > That's not how it works -- we know this from last time Gentoo > > recruited a whole load of people without verifying their abilities. > > With lots of new developers, what little time skilled developers > > already have ends up being spen

[gentoo-dev] An Introduction to Gentoo Prefix

2009-05-05 Thread Fabian Groffen
While some of you may have heard of it, we -- the Prefix team -- have the impression that for most developers the Gentoo Prefix project is in general an unknown, hidden and vague project, that primarily generates a lot of commits. Therefore, we have decided to try and explain what Gentoo Prefix is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.05.05 18:37, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 > George Prowse wrote: > > If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned > correctly [snip] > > That's not how it works -- we know this from last time Gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 20:37:24 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 > > George Prowse wrote: > > If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly > > with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to > > walk people through how and what i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 5 May 2009 21:19:49 +0300 Markos Chandras wrote: > We surely need more developers. Otherwise we ll end up maintaining > 100 ACTIVE developers ). So first we need to attract more people. > Evaluation and recruitment comes next I have a better way of improving those numbers: remove two thir

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 05 May 2009 19:19:00 +0100 Roy Bamford wrote: > - From your post, it appears that standards were lowered during the > recruitment drive you reference. Not quite. At the time, there weren't really any particular standards during recruitment.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Sebastián Ramírez Magrí
El mar, 05-05-2009 a las 18:28 +0100, George Prowse escribió: > Thomas Sachau wrote: > > George Prowse schrieb: > >> Thomas Sachau wrote: > >>> For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with > >>> ebuilds, there is already an option: > >>> > >>> Join #gentoo-dev-help or even be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Sergio D . Rodríguez Inclan
> > There is already such a place [1] but I think not so much people knows > about it. > > [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/staffing-needs/ > > Mounir > > None of the problems mentioned here are present on that page, the information that could be useful is: how many developers are active, w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread AllenJB
George Prowse wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you said about the state of things because i've got the distinct impression fro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Petteri Räty
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > At the very least, before attempting any mass recruitment, the quiz > needs to be lengthened, brought up to date and split into "answer these > on the spot on IRC without having seen the question before" and > "research allowed" questions, and recruiters have to be prepa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 23:45:14 AllenJB wrote: > George Prowse wrote: > > Peter Faraday Weller wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> Thanks, > >> welp > > > > Sad to hear it mate. > > > > As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you > > will be missed. > > > > I am quite surprised

[gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Christian Faulhammer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Ciaran McCreesh : > At the very least, before attempting any mass recruitment, the quiz > needs to be lengthened, brought up to date and split into "answer > these on the spot on IRC without having seen the question before" and > "research allowed

[gentoo-dev] Re: An Introduction to Gentoo Prefix

2009-05-05 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Fabian Groffen : > While some of you may have heard of it, we -- the Prefix team -- have > the impression that for most developers the Gentoo Prefix project is > in general an unknown, hidden and vague project, that primarily > generates a lot of commits. Therefore, we have decided to try an

[gentoo-dev] Project summaries

2009-05-05 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, any project lead/member can post an answer to this mail for a status report: Gentoo Lisp in general: We are working on all our problems, but some sub-projects are a bit understaffed (e.g. Common Lisp, because pchrist is away for a year), while Scheme is in good shape but has only one active d