Hi guys (and lads),
we have this nice shiny bug [1] where we discuss how to best add the env.d
file with default XDG configuration. Description why it is needed so much is
written in the bug itself so i wont duplicate the effort to write it here
again :]
So what do we need from you. :] Actualy
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:03:03 +0200
Rémi Cardona wrote:
> Could anyone actually give a good reason for slot operators? What
> packages would have a _clear_ benefit from using them? I'm asking for
> an actual list of packages, not just some package that may exist in a
> parallel universe.
All pa
Am Donnerstag, den 09.04.2009, 05:25 +0300 schrieb Mart Raudsepp:
> Hello,
>
>
> This thread is for any discussion about the slot operator support item
> in EAPI-3 draft.
>
> The premise is good what := and :* allow for, but I'm concerned about
> the syntax possibly ending up being suboptimal in
On N, 2009-04-09 at 11:30 +0200, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 09.04.2009, 05:25 +0300 schrieb Mart Raudsepp:
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > This thread is for any discussion about the slot operator support item
> > in EAPI-3 draft.
> >
> > The premise is good what := and :* allow for, but
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:29:53 +0530
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> I think the current way is the most easily-supportable way for us.
> Complex interdependencies b/w packages and slots => O(n^k) times bugs,
> where k = no. of slots for a library.
>
> If we don't get all those bugs, it means people are
On N, 2009-04-09 at 10:37 +0200, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> > properties must be cached properly
> > ==
> >
> > No opinion, up to the package manager developers.
> > Don't see offhand why it should be an EAPI item at all. Feels like
> an
> > implementation detail.
>
>
Am Donnerstag, den 09.04.2009, 04:51 +0300 schrieb Mart Raudsepp:
> Hello,
>
> On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 08:49 +0100, Tiziano Müller wrote:
>
> > With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of
> > new
> > problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package you
> > dep
Mart Raudsepp a écrit :
Hello,
This thread is for any discussion about the slot operator support item
in EAPI-3 draft.
Could anyone actually give a good reason for slot operators? What
packages would have a _clear_ benefit from using them? I'm asking for an
actual list of packages, not just
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Peter Alfredsen wrote:
> All package depending on dev-dotnet/gtk-sharp. Although these won't be
> parallel-installable slots, it will really easy the transition between
> versions and allow us to ease the currently quite strict
> interdependencies between the variou
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:06:47 +0530
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> So you're looking for ABI deps? @preserved-libs is the answer (C-sharp
> support for that?). Suggested rebuilds upon upgrade? Separate issue,
> separate solution (pkg_pretend maybe?)
@preserved-libs is a horrible hack that is used in pl
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Peter Alfredsen wrote:
> As I said, I would be using slot-deps as ABI-deps. I would find actual
> ABI deps to be vastly more useful since I wouldn't have to keep track
> of earlier slots to block.
>
> Imagine a world with no revdep-rebuild?
>
So you're looking for
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:25:33 +0300
Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> Are we sure := and :* is the syntax that makes sense once we try to
> cover some of the above with new syntax?
:= and :* covers the cases that can be covered with existing dependency
ranges. If you want to cover things that need horrible |
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:51:06 +0300
Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> doins support for symlinks
> ==
>
> Lacking information. Need to see if the PMS draft has anything about
> it. The bug and summaries just talk about the support, but no
> details. Would it be an argument to doins?
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:44:55 +0300
Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> But the metadata cache isn't per-EAPI in the sense of multiple
> metadata caches, one for each EAPI. There might be per-EAPI metadata
> cache items though.
The cache format is per-EAPI, with a degree of overlap.
> I don't think I want to
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:12:02 +0300
Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> It is quite irresponsible to enable that by default for the FULL user
> base, given the state of the tree in regards to it
Which is why we are not talking about enabling it for the tree. We are
talking about enabling it for a subset of the
On N, 2009-04-09 at 15:37 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:12:02 +0300
> Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> > It is quite irresponsible to enable that by default for the FULL user
> > base, given the state of the tree in regards to it
>
> Which is why we are not talking about enabling i
On Thursday 09 April 2009 16:37:55 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:12:02 +0300
>
> Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> > It is quite irresponsible to enable that by default for the FULL user
> > base, given the state of the tree in regards to it
>
> Which is why we are not talking about enablin
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:20:39 +0300
Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> Every single test on any package is going to be done slower than not
> running tests.
So? If speed were important, people would use a binary distribution,
or just drop to -O1. But given the massive variability of Gentoo
systems, correctnes
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:21:55 +0200
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> > Which is why we are not talking about enabling it for the tree. We
> > are talking about enabling it for a subset of the tree that's
> > guaranteed to have been tested by it.
>
> So you propose to make a new EAPI that about 2.5% of the tr
Am Donnerstag, den 09.04.2009, 12:03 +0200 schrieb Rémi Cardona:
> Mart Raudsepp a écrit :
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > This thread is for any discussion about the slot operator support item
> > in EAPI-3 draft.
>
> Could anyone actually give a good reason for slot operators? What
> packages would ha
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Most packages that have tests have working tests. For those that don't,
the tests have to be restricted. All this proposal does is ensures that
that happens in a progressive, incremental and safe way.
I agree with this point - failing tests are more the exception than t
> On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, I wrote:
>> Since most of the stuff in net-www seems to be browser plugins,
>> we could create www-plugins.
> Is the following a reasonable scheme?
> [...]
Looks like there are no objections against it, so I've created the
www-plugins category. Migration of packages is
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> roughly 90% packages depending on one of:
>
> sys-libs/db
Why the hell does this have so many slots in-tree? I am unaware of the
reasons for it. Horribly changed API every release? How does every
other distro handle sys-libs/db ?
> dev-lib
On Thursday 09 April 2009 19:06:16 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> > dev-lang/python
>
> So, wait, you want to depend on specific slots of python and keep them
> around, and manage all their related bugs? Isn't that exactly the
> opposite of what python upstream suggests, and *ALL* distros do?
If you in
On 16:36 Wed 08 Apr , Rémi Cardona wrote:
> Mike Frysinger a écrit :
>> This is your one-day friendly reminder ! The monthly Gentoo Council
>> meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net. See the
>> channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC).
>
> I'd like for
Nirbheek Chauhan posted
8b4c83ad0904091106w1dd21b30v8d98c528d02de...@mail.gmail.com, excerpted
below, on Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:36:16 +0530:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Tiziano Müller
> wrote:
>> roughly 90% packages depending on one of:
>>
>> sys-libs/db
>
> Why the hell does this have so
Am Donnerstag, den 09.04.2009, 23:36 +0530 schrieb Nirbheek Chauhan:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> > roughly 90% packages depending on one of:
> >
> > sys-libs/db
>
> Why the hell does this have so many slots in-tree? I am unaware of the
> reasons for it. Horribly cha
Am Donnerstag, den 09.04.2009, 13:13 -0400 schrieb Richard Freeman:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> >
> > Most packages that have tests have working tests. For those that don't,
> > the tests have to be restricted. All this proposal does is ensures that
> > that happens in a progressive, incremental an
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:36:16 +0530
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> > roughly 90% packages depending on one of:
> >
> > sys-libs/db
>
> Why the hell does this have so many slots in-tree? I am unaware of the
> reasons for it. Horribly changed API
Le 09/04/2009 20:38, Donnie Berkholz a écrit :
I don't particularly wish for this to happen Real Soon, but drafting a
plan sounds like a good first step.
OK, I'm looking forward to reading your draft. =)
1) migrate
2) party
I don't really see what else should be in between steps 1 and 2.
I
On Tuesday 31 March 2009 07:52:24 Mike Frysinger wrote:
> partly because the QA notices about untraceable static binaries that
> sandbox-1.6 emits, but mostly because i wanted to bust solar's balls, i did
> a mini hack fest the other nite and added ptrace() support into sandbox for
> static binarie
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