[gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2008-05-07 Thread Mike Frysinger
This is your one-day friendly reminder ! The monthly Gentoo Council meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net. See the channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC). If you're supposed to show up, please show up. If you're not supposed to show up, then show up a

[gentoo-dev] RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Mart Raudsepp
Hello, Over the course of this year, a lzma-utils buildtime dependency has been added to a few system packages, to handle .tar.lzma tarballs. This has huge implications on the requirement of the system toolchain, which is highly disturbing from a minimal (lets say embedded) systems concern - lzma-

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 07-05-2008 16:23:12 +0300, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > This is a plea and also a request for comments on the matter of > using .tar.lzma tarballs or not, and for what packages this is > acceptable and for what not. Just as a little background: GNU chose to switch from bzip2 to lzma, for it produces

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Natanael Copa
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 16:23 +0300, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > I'd be happy if some other unpacker is used than lzma-utils - one that > does not depend on libstdc++ - I'm sure it can be done, heck it's done > in integrated form in some other projects in less than a couple > kilobytes of code for the un

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Benedikt Morbach
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Mart Raudsepp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd be happy if some other unpacker is used than lzma-utils - one that > does not depend on libstdc++ - I'm sure it can be done, heck it's done > in integrated form in some other projects in less than a couple > kilobyte

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 07 May 2008, Natanael Copa wrote: > busybox has unlzma and seems to be a part of "system". > Should also be easy to create a really tiny unlzma from the busybox > source and ship with portage, or create a patch for tar or something. The decoder of lzma-utils is also written in C on

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Benedikt Morbach wrote: > tar-1.20 has lzma support, so maybe it could handle this too, once it > goes into stable This doesn't help, since it needs the lzma binary as a filter. Ulrich -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Benedikt Morbach
Hi, I sent this to -dev to, but I think as an ordinary user I can't write there... On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Mart Raudsepp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd be happy if some other unpacker is used than lzma-utils - one that > does not depend on libstdc++ - I'm sure it can be done, heck it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 16:23 +0300, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > I do realize one would remove build-time dependencies and the toolchain > on an embedded system on deployment anyway, but this means gcc USE=nocxx > USE flag is pretty much useless, while it would be nice to use it to > ensure that nothing s

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Hi, I think, as long as there is no really minimal lzmadec available yet (as standalone package), we should more standard compressors like gzip or bzip2. Adding that whole bunch of deps just to save a few bytes IMHO isn't worth it. cu -- --

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Richard Freeman
Enrico Weigelt wrote: I think, as long as there is no really minimal lzmadec available yet (as standalone package), we should more standard compressors like gzip or bzip2. Adding that whole bunch of deps just to save a few bytes IMHO isn't worth it. Keep in mind that this might mean doing our

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Doug Goldstein
Richard Freeman wrote: Enrico Weigelt wrote: I think, as long as there is no really minimal lzmadec available yet (as standalone package), we should more standard compressors like gzip or bzip2. Adding that whole bunch of deps just to save a few bytes IMHO isn't worth it. Keep in mind that th

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-07 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 07 May 2008 16:23:12 +0300 Mart Raudsepp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Over the course of this year, a lzma-utils buildtime dependency has > been added to a few system packages, to handle .tar.lzma tarballs. > This has huge implications on the requirement of the system toolchain