On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 09:52 +0300, Alin Nastac wrote:
> Natanael Copa wrote:
> > Nobody has ever showed interest and I'm not pushing my services on
> > anyone.
> >
> Why exactly you don't want to become a Gentoo dev?
Because of the byrocracy? Is it worth it to only maintain one single
package?
On Thursday 05 October 2006 10:06, Natanael Copa wrote:
> When I submit a fix/version bumb (I submit as "maintainer update") to
> freebsd ports, its normally committed within hours, even if its not a
> popular port. When I submit fixes for packages in Gentoo bugzilla it get
> stuck for months. They
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 13:20 -0400, Caleb Tennis wrote:
With the increase in developer and project overlays, I see the
possibility for reducing work needed to maintain many packages. As
Natanael Copa, it would be nice for him to be able to maintain packages
without having
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 10:18 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Thursday 05 October 2006 10:06, Natanael Copa wrote:
> > When I submit a fix/version bumb (I submit as "maintainer update") to
> > freebsd ports, its normally committed within hours, even if its not a
> > popular port.
...
>
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
- Project status reports once a month for every project
Totally agree on this one!
OK.
I'll give you Release Engineering's "status reports" for September,
October, and November:
September: taking a well-deserved break
October: taking a well-deserved break
November: ta
Natanael Copa wrote:
> Because of gentoo devs always seems to fight?
>
>
You don't have to fight.
> Its funny, I use gentoo much more that FreeBSD, I'm a freebsd port
> maintainer, but nothing for Gentoo (well, im an active bugreporter...)
>
> When I submit a fix/version bumb (I submit as "maint
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:44:07 -0400
"Thomas Cort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/4/06, Kevin F. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:41:45 -0400
> > Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > My view is that while they're being actively supported, there's no
> > reason
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:44:07 -0400
"Thomas Cort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/4/06, Kevin F. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:41:45 -0400
> > Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > My view is that while they're being actively supported, there's no
> > reason
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:39:07 -0400
"Thomas Cort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/4/06, Kevin F. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:21:08 -0400
> > "Thomas Cort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > The "minority" arches like mips, sparc etc seem to get along
> > > > qu
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:52:14 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Minority arches don't affect devs who aren't interested in them
Actually, they do. Minority archs lead to much better tree QA being
done, more bugs in packages being identified and more ebuild and
package bugs being fi
On Thursday 05 October 2006 13:48, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Actually, they do. Minority archs lead to much better tree QA being
> done, more bugs in packages being identified and more ebuild and
> package bugs being fixed.
Hell is gonna break loose, I agree with Ciaran!
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Thursday 05 October 2006 13:48, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> Actually, they do. Minority archs lead to much better tree QA being
>> done, more bugs in packages being identified and more ebuild and
>> package bugs being fixed.
> Hell is gonna break loose, I agree w
On Thursday 05 October 2006 14:04, Luca Barbato wrote:
> Not today, not today, 1/2 of the devils are on a strike because of the
> recent freezes in the latest months, the others are still recovering
> from the flu caused by the change in the climate...
What if I call as a reinforcement the BSD daem
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 09:52 +0300, Alin Nastac wrote:
> Natanael Copa wrote:
> > Nobody has ever showed interest and I'm not pushing my services on
> > anyone.
> >
> Why exactly you don't want to become a Gentoo dev? The whole "proxy
> maintainer" thing is a bunch of crap. The Gentoo developer w
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Thursday 05 October 2006 14:04, Luca Barbato wrote:
>> Not today, not today, 1/2 of the devils are on a strike because of the
>> recent freezes in the latest months, the others are still recovering
>> from the flu caused by the change in the climate...
> What i
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 12:48 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:52:14 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | Minority arches don't affect devs who aren't interested in them
>
> Actually, they do. Minority archs lead to much better tree QA being
> done, more bugs
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 04:09 +, Duncan wrote:
> Two and potentially far worse, you have the demotivation problem. Picking
> on a rather active dev as a prime example, Flameeyes' Gentoo/alt-freebsd
> is certainly a minority arch, one that he spends a decent amount of time
> on that could arguabl
On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 22:00 -0400, Mike Kelly wrote:
> > I don't *want* to drown projects in bureaucracy and paperwork. I want
> > them to *accomplish* things, instead.
>
> Sending a brief "All's well with releng" email isn't exactly what I
> would call "drowning in bureaucracy".
Of course not,
Tach Natanael, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)
Natanael Copa schrieb:
> Can I become a Gentoo dev, even if I'm only maintainer of 1-3 packages?
> I'm trying to be realistic.
You can. And you can even keep out of dev fights here on the mailing
list. On IRC you normally
Hello,
since Gentoo started its "Gentoopix" LiveCD I really miss a CD for
networkless-installation. I don't know why the stage3 is missing,
because just some people need a full Gnome-Desktop for the
installation :-(
A year ago I could choose between a Minimal-CD for network-installation,
or a Univ
Tach Thomas, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)
Thomas Cort schrieb:
> Every developer should have access to at least 1 Gentoo system. They
> should also be able to determine if something is stable or not. It would
> cut down on the number of keyword/stable bugs if developers
Tach Ioannis, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)
Ioannis Aslanidis schrieb:
>> - Make every dev a member of at least 1 arch team
> That's a sound idea, that way some herds (see KDE) won't have to be
> searching for testers in every arch because _strangely_ one of the most
> da
Peter Weber wrote:
> Hello,
> since Gentoo started its "Gentoopix" LiveCD I really miss a CD for
> networkless-installation. I don't know why the stage3 is missing,
> because just some people need a full Gnome-Desktop for the
> installation :-(
Oh noes, we even have a whole special handbook versio
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 09:52 +0300, Alin Nastac wrote:
> Natanael Copa wrote:
> > Nobody has ever showed interest and I'm not pushing my services on
> > anyone.
> >
> Why exactly you don't want to become a Gentoo dev? The whole "proxy
> maintainer" thing is a bunch of crap. The Gentoo developer w
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 08:34 +0200, Natanael Copa wrote:
> If the "proxy maintainer" is specified as contact person in the ebuild,
> and will be added to the CC list on bugs posted, the official developer
> will not need to care about it until he gets a response from the proxy
> developer.
Well, lo
You don't unterstand me, sorry.
There is no Universal-CD, a User must to download the LiveCD which
forces he/she to use the Ncurses/X11-Installer, because there is no
Stage3-Tarball.
The missing Stage3 is the real problem.
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 16:27 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
> Peter Weber wrote:
>
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 00:00 +, Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer wrote:
> Tach Natanael, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)
>
> Natanael Copa schrieb:
> > Can I become a Gentoo dev, even if I'm only maintainer of 1-3 packages?
> > I'm trying to be realistic.
>
> You can. And
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Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer wrote:
> Most devs run ~arch
Says who? Did you pull that fact out of a hat, or something? Do you have any
hard numbers to back that statement?
Let's have an informal poll some time: I know I don't run ~arch, and there are
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:39:50 +0200 Natanael Copa
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I'm initially only interested in maintaining packages where I'm the
| upstream maintainer as well.
Ick. Rarely a good idea. That removes a layer of QA.
--
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Mail: ciaranm at ciaranm.org
W
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 15:52 +0200, Peter Weber wrote:
> First Question: Where is here the Choice_Of_Gentoo and why are we
> breaking with our tradition of shell-installing?
I love this argument.
What about *our* choice to not waste time building things we don't want?
> I would be better to offer
Peter Weber wrote:
> You don't unterstand me, sorry.
> There is no Universal-CD, a User must to download the LiveCD which
> forces he/she to use the Ncurses/X11-Installer, because there is no
> Stage3-Tarball.
OH RLY? Maybe just read the options you can pass to bootloader to get CLI?
> The missin
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 10:48 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>
> > Second Question: Will there be a new Universal-CD (or a DVD) with a real
> > Stage3 for networkless-installion?
>
> No. I do plan on putting the stage3 on the next LiveDVD, but without
> the necessary distfiles, it won't do much go
On 10/5/06, Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Peter Weber wrote:
> You don't unterstand me, sorry.
> There is no Universal-CD, a User must to download the LiveCD which
> forces he/she to use the Ncurses/X11-Installer, because there is no
> Stage3-Tarball.
OH RLY? Maybe just read the options y
Tach Natanael, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)
Natanael Copa schrieb:
> On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 00:00 +, Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer wrote:
>> Natanael Copa schrieb:
>>> Can I become a Gentoo dev, even if I'm only maintainer of 1-3 packages?
>>> I'm trying to be realisti
Tach Josh, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)
Josh Saddler schrieb:
> Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer wrote:
>> Most devs run ~arch
> Says who? Did you pull that fact out of a hat, or something? Do you have
> any hard numbers to back that statement?
"A lot of devs run ~arch" is
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 15:47 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:39:50 +0200 Natanael Copa
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | I'm initially only interested in maintaining packages where I'm the
> | upstream maintainer as well.
>
> Ick. Rarely a good idea. That removes a layer of Q
Dan Meltzer wrote:
> None of which are that helpful for a networkless install :/
Funny, I can still do networkless install with those just fine by
fetching the distfiles tarballs before install - hint: emerge -[fF]
Plus nothing stops you from creating your own customized media using our
release
Natanael Copa wrote:
That leaves me with the conclution that its best to just continue to run
my own local portage tree and submit bugreports once in a while and hope
for the best, just like I have always been doing.
No matter what community you decide to participate in (Gentoo, local,
church, w
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 05:08:29PM +0200, Natanael Copa wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 15:47 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:39:50 +0200 Natanael Copa
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > | I'm initially only interested in maintaining packages where I'm the
> > | upstream mai
Tach Natanael, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)
Natanael Copa schrieb:
> On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 15:47 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:39:50 +0200 Natanael Copa
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I'm initially only interested in
>> maintaining packages whe
Jakub Moc wrote:
>> The missing Stage3 is the real problem.
>
> Apparently...
>
> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/2006.1/stages/stage3-i686-2006.1.tar.bz2
> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/amd64/2006.1/stages/stage3-amd64-2006.1.tar.bz2
> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/ppc/2006.1/ppc32
grab catalyst 2 learn how to use it an make your own stage 3
installer. it's pretty easy. their's the gentoo-cayalyst list if you
need help.
Plus nothing stops you from creating your own customized media using our
release tools, as already said. You can still install Gentoo from stage1
if you re
Howdy,
Can someone point me to any documentation on why ebuilds are
being created for ruby gems?
Gem is the a nice, easy to use, standard package manager for ruby.
The problem that I see is if you install the same package via both
gem and portage all sorts of bad things happen. For the curious,
2006/10/5, Roy Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Howdy,
Can someone point me to any documentation on why ebuilds are
being created for ruby gems?
Gem is the a nice, easy to use, standard package manager for ruby.
The problem that I see is if you install the same package via both
gem and portage all
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 01:30:43PM -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> We're estimating a worst case of 4 hours at this point, but if
> everything goes smoothly, it should be less than 2 hours.
All work completed - CVS and SVN are back online again.
Took 1 hour 51 minutes.
If you see anything wrong,
Boris Fersing wrote:
>
>
> AFAIK, the ruby related ebuilds use gem. For example rails has in his
> ebuild :
>
> "inherit ruby gems"
>
> and if you look in the gems eclass :
>
> [snip]
> And it's the same for rake !
>
> The problem might be (that's a supposition only) that gem installs the
> files i
Simon Stelling wrote:
> Jakub Moc wrote:
>>> The missing Stage3 is the real problem.
>> Apparently...
>>
>> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/2006.1/stages/stage3-i686-2006.1.tar.bz2
>> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/amd64/2006.1/stages/stage3-amd64-2006.1.tar.bz2
>> http://gentoo.osuosl.org
Hi all,
FYI, I just created a Bugzilla account for the Council.
You can assign/CC us on bugs via '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'.
Danny
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Gentoo/AMD64 Project, Gentoo Scientific Project
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On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 01:55:17PM -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 01:30:43PM -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > We're estimating a worst case of 4 hours at this point, but if
> > everything goes smoothly, it should be less than 2 hours.
> All work completed - CVS and SVN a
On 2006.10.04 13:15, Brandon Low wrote:
As usual, sweeping new policies or procedures WILL NOT FIX THINGS.
[snip]
--Brandon
Since I have been a Gentoo user, there have been two completely
different management styles in use. When drobbins was around, he was
like the MD and Gentoo was man
The DNS records have been pulled[1] for the devmanual due to a
complaint[2] by it's original author (Ciaran McCreesh) regarding a
violation of it's license.
It is my assumption that it will remain off-line until the complaint is
resolved in a manner that satisfies both parties.
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