On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 15:52 +0200, Peter Weber wrote: > First Question: Where is here the Choice_Of_Gentoo and why are we > breaking with our tradition of shell-installing?
I love this argument. What about *our* choice to not waste time building things we don't want? > I would be better to offer a real Universal-CD or to creat a > bootloader-script, which gives the users the possibility to start > X11/GTK-Installer if they want this, not without a question. Umm... "nox" works just fine. See, what *you* seem to be missing is that we're trying to provide a better environment for our users. The LiveCD is *not* just an installation medium anymore. It is a full-fledged Gentoo environment. It can be used for showcasing Gentoo, as well as system recovery *and* installation. > Second Question: Will there be a new Universal-CD (or a DVD) with a real > Stage3 for networkless-installion? No. I do plan on putting the stage3 on the next LiveDVD, but without the necessary distfiles, it won't do much good for doing a completely networkless installation. The simple truth is that there were way too many bug reports each release about missing distfiles and other such problems that made it not worth the time required to maintain for us. > I think, a gentoo-user should be able to choose between the shell, > ncurses- and a gtk-installer. And any of this groups should have the > same possibilites to install. I've actually been writing a document on how to use the installer scripts from the command line (without running the installer itself) to perform an install. At any rate, there's *nothing* stopping someone *else* from building their own Universal CD. If you need it, build it. People seem to think that "choice" means "forcing developers to do what *I* want them to do with *their* volunteered time". It doesn't. We release our code under the GPL. We release our release-building tool. We release our spec files for that tool. Anyone is capable of running a few scripts to do exactly what we've done to build their own "Gentoo" release. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation
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