Re: [gentoo-dev] Manifest2 decision delayed

2006-02-11 Thread Alin Nastac
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:14:26 -0500 Chris Gianelloni ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >| Interesting, yes... but ebuilds are read by humans and it is necessary >| to be comprehensible a lot more than the Manifest files are. > >Sure. But the comparison would show whether or not it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread Simon Stelling
(I think it would be better if you could post the text on the list, so people can easier cite the paragraphs they are referring to.) > I cite one situation which has actually led to system destruction: > > I was in need of a certain version of a library. A the moment I installed it > initially, th

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-11 Thread Duncan
Grobian posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:39:38 +0100: > I assume you meant to replace 'tuple' with 'segment'. First of all, I > might be biased, as for me everything is a binary association table. > However, I don't think a segment is the same in this case. 'p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread Marius Mauch
Klaus-J. Wolf wrote: Hi, I am new to this list, but I am not new to Gentoo. Would you please discuss a GLEP draft, which I believe it might improve the usability of Gentoo? Text at: http://www.seismic.de/gentoo/gentoo_mask_proposal.html Technical details still missing... Ignoring the hug

[gentoo-dev] Re: Manifest2 decision delayed

2006-02-11 Thread Duncan
Alin Nastac posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:38:05 +0200: > When you have thousands of small files (1-4 blocks), the space saved by > removing all unnecessary whitespaces is minimal at best. Of course, that depends on the filesystemm used... . -- Duncan - Lis

Re: [gentoo-dev] Manifest2 decision delayed

2006-02-11 Thread John Mylchreest
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:38:05AM +0200, Alin Nastac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When you have thousands of small files (1-4 blocks), the space saved by > removing all unnecessary whitespaces is minimal at best. > Minimizing the number of files is another story. Unifying manifests with > digest f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread John Mylchreest
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 10:41:04PM -0700, Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Klaus-J. Wolf posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted > below, on Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:37:25 +0100: > > > Would you please discuss a GLEP draft, which I believe it might improve > > the usability of Gentoo? > > > > Text

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread Duncan
John Mylchreest posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:02:58 +: > Duncan, you make some valid points but for the sake of ease for the rest > of us, could you please try condense the mails down from several pages? :) I've been proud of myself, even managing a coup

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread John Mylchreest
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:09:07AM -0700, Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Duncan, you make some valid points but for the sake of ease for the rest > > of us, could you please try condense the mails down from several pages? :) > > I've been proud of myself, even managing a couple one-liners,

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:28:34 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > kfreebsd-gnu is, in effect, one example you're using already. You'd | > have x86 as the arch, FreeBSD as the kernel and GNU as the userland. | | Yes, but you're actually mixing two things here now. The right hand | side of

[gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag deprecation = bashing my head against the wall

2006-02-11 Thread Jakub Moc
Reading the last two comments (Bug 106560) from devs who removed them from CC again makes my cry out loud in desperation. People, *please* read the two attachments I've posted there, and think again before stating something about "fixed months ago" etc. etc. :-( http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-11 Thread Grobian
On 11-02-2006 20:05:58 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:28:34 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > kfreebsd-gnu is, in effect, one example you're using already. You'd > | > have x86 as the arch, FreeBSD as the kernel and GNU as the userland. > | > | Yes, but you're

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:28:43 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ok. If we're on the same wave length here, then I think the real | question is here whether we do allow hyphens to be in the os part or | not. If yes, the part till the first hyphen is the arch, and | everything from the hyph

[gentoo-dev] check-reqs conditionals

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
For those of you who don't know, check-reqs is an eclass that is occasionally used by a few packages that have ludicrously high build requirements. Typical examples have included anything using Haskell (the programming language with built-in memory leaks!) and certain C++ template metaprogamming vo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread Benno Schulenberg
Klaus-J. Wolf wrote: > http://www.seismic.de/gentoo/gentoo_mask_proposal.html > > * Manually keyword unmasking an ebuild, automatically means > unmasking the last one in the line of masked versions. No. Use the "=" to unmask a specific version only. For example: =sys-apps/findutils-4.2

Re: [gentoo-dev] Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:11:07 +0100 Benno Schulenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Klaus-J. Wolf wrote: | > http://www.seismic.de/gentoo/gentoo_mask_proposal.html | > | > * Manually keyword unmasking an ebuild, automatically means | > unmasking the last one in the line of masked versions. |

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect 1.0 is out

2006-02-11 Thread Eldad Zack
On Friday 10 February 2006 01:01, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Version 1.0 of eselect, the modular configuration framework, is now > out. All changes since 1.0_rc2 have been bugfixes. > > We haven't split out some of the "shipped with eselect but not core > functionality" modules in this release, since

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect 1.0 is out

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:38:53 +0200 Eldad Zack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Is this a quirk or intentional: | | # eselect kernel show | Current kernel symlink: | linux-2.6.14.3/ | | (notice the trailing slash there) Mmm. What's your readlink? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of t

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect 1.0 is out

2006-02-11 Thread Eldad Zack
On Sunday 12 February 2006 02:09, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:38:53 +0200 Eldad Zack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Is this a quirk or intentional: > | > | # eselect kernel show > | Current kernel symlink: > | linux-2.6.14.3/ > | > | (notice the trailing slash there) > > Mmm.

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect 1.0 is out

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:27:33 +0200 Eldad Zack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Mmm. What's your readlink? | | sys-apps/coreutils 5.2.1-r7 Looks like it depends upon how ln -s was invoked as to what readlink gives. Guess we'll have to work around that in a couple of places... -- Ciaran McCreesh :

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-libs/libpcap-ringbuffer

2006-02-11 Thread Markus Ullmann
If there aren't any objections, we (netmon herd) will hardmask this package in a week and delete it one week later. Removing is due to lack of required features for some popular apps and bug #117898. With this removal we also want to wipe out the virtual/libpcap. So if any of your ebuilds us

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-libs/libpcap-ringbuffer

2006-02-11 Thread Markus Ullmann
If there aren't any objections, we (netmon herd) will hardmask this package in a week and delete it one week later. Removing is due to lack of required features for some popular apps and bug #117898. With this removal we also want to wipe out the virtual/libpcap. So if any of your ebuilds uses i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-libs/libpcap-ringbuffer

2006-02-11 Thread Mark Loeser
Markus Ullmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > If there aren't any objections, we (netmon herd) will hardmask this > package in a week and delete it one week later. Is it really necessary to remove it this quickly instead of waiting the standard month so users have time to handle switching to somethi