Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-06 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 20:45:25 +1000 Stuart Longland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On a somewhat related note... I've sat back and watched this > argument for some time now. Banning people seems like an extremely > drastic measure. Sure, it's easy. It's also easily circumvented, > and is onl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-06 Thread expose
Stuart Longland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  (Gentoo Foundation) wrote: > How's this for an idea though... Rather than banning *people*... why > not temporarily ban a thread? I know this is easily possible on forum > threads -- mailing lists are more difficult, but if one could lock a > thread for a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-06 Thread Stuart Longland
Jakub Moc wrote: > Bryan Østergaard napsal(a): >> On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 03:46:47AM +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: >>> And you come here to tell us that people shouldn't get confused by these >>> 'very few' retirements, that the sun in still shining nicely and we are >>> recruiting people as always? And

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Caleb Cushing
these are where warnings and apologies come in. plus I think only repeated behavior should result in permanent removal. On 3/5/07, Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:07:58 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 1. Anyone who is impolite get's kicked off. Who defines 'im

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:07:58 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 1. Anyone who is impolite get's kicked off. Who defines 'impolite'? It's a cultural thing, and given that we have developers and users from all over the world, we span a lot of vastly different cultures. > 2. Anyone who repeatedly and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Paul Sebastian Ziegler
Thank you. I am replying off-list because I do not want to create even more flaming. I'm not a dev. Just a user in terms of gentoo. I'm subscribed to the list since I need all the info I can get. And gentoo has definitely come a long way in the last few weeks. First that 8-Day-Flame about saving

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Caleb Cushing
P.S.: I know I did not read the complete thread, yet I am physically ill at the moment, not able to read it all. [ <-- fuel your flame-o-mat with this ;-) ] -- OFFTOPIC -- --START FLAME -- how can you write that long of a letter if you can't read and what does a physical illness have to do with r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread expose
Dear list, Why not simply naming the "formal logic rules" for the "official venue where developers (and ex-developers and users) can talk out their disagreements" to be: 1. Anyone who is impolite get's kicked off. 2. Anyone who repeatedly and seemingly on purpose tries to harm the discussion wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Jakub Moc
Bryan Østergaard napsal(a): > On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 03:46:47AM +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: >> And you come here to tell us that people shouldn't get confused by these >> 'very few' retirements, that the sun in still shining nicely and we are >> recruiting people as always? And that you will continue

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 03:25:31PM +, Steve Long wrote: > Ioannis Aslanidis wrote: > > > Maybe if Ciaran recognized his past faults, begged pardon and promised > > to be kinder from now and on, everything would be easier for everyone, > > everything would calm down. > > > I share your dream ;

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:33:31 + Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:17:54 + > Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What, and make everyone move the development discussion elsewhere? > > Have you noticed how little development discussion goes on on the > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Roy Marples
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:17:54 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What, and make everyone move the development discussion elsewhere? > Have you noticed how little development discussion goes on on the > forums? Have you ever considered why? It's full of trolls. Have you considered why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:25:54 + Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> What kind of response do you think anyone else would have received > >> had they started repeatedly attacking a project when they didn't > >> even know what that project was, repeatedly tried to interfere > >> with the ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Caleb Cushing
I wish you guys would just let the forum moderators moderate this mailing list. You'd soon see why the gentoo forums are the envy of the support world. I agree. I also agree with temporary ban's to reduce flame wars. people need to cool down sometimes. ---concerned gentoo user. -- gentoo-dev@ge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Bryan Østergaard
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 03:46:47AM +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: > Bryan Østergaard napsal(a): > > On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 11:31:56PM +, Hubert Mercier wrote: > >> What is more, even if Gentoo is always growing, why are people leaving ? > >> Personal reasons ? No, in fact I read carefully each of th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-05 Thread Bryan Østergaard
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 02:22:08AM +, Alex Tarkovsky wrote: > Bryan Østergaard gentoo.org> writes: > > Bryan, instead of always addressing the symptoms by asking people to kindly be > quiet or move things elsewhere, why don't you do something more substantive > about what ails Gentoo develope

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-04 Thread Jakub Moc
Bryan Østergaard napsal(a): > On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 11:31:56PM +, Hubert Mercier wrote: >> What is more, even if Gentoo is always growing, why are people leaving ? >> Personal reasons ? No, in fact I read carefully each of the retire mails >> in the last year : very often people are just fe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 23:31:56 + (UTC) Hubert Mercier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the last months, a some talented devs gone, and a few others were > thinking to do so. How much more before deciding to simplify our > organisation ? Simplifying it won't help. If Gentoo wants more developers,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-04 Thread Bryan Østergaard
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 11:31:56PM +, Hubert Mercier wrote: > What is more, even if Gentoo is always growing, why are people leaving ? > Personal reasons ? No, in fact I read carefully each of the retire mails > in the last year : very often people are just fed up with conflicts, > tired of