On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:50:42 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > As I said (and you seemed to have ignored), mandating tree access
| > to use the vdb or a standalone binpkg repository == no go.
|
| I didn't ignore it - I didn't get it when you first said it. What
| you're saying
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:23:59 -0700
Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 02:47:46PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:19:28 +0100
> > Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Just adding an alias
> > > into a second category makes the tree
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 02:47:46PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:19:28 +0100
> Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just adding an alias
> > into a second category makes the tree more of a mess - not less.
>
> The alias, once setup, can be left alone forever. As
Stuart Herbert wrote:
> Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
>> An advantage to this approach is that package moves just become aliases
>> - existing stuff doesn't break yet you get the new categorisation as
>> well.
>
> That's actually a disadvantage. The whole point of moving a package is
> to take it *out* o
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:19:28 +0100
Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> > An advantage to this approach is that package moves just become
> > aliases
> > - existing stuff doesn't break yet you get the new categorisation as
> > well.
>
> That's actually a disadvantag
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:35:08 -0700
Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 06:04:10PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:05:20 -0700
> > Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > >Unfortunately the category system is deeply embedded in po
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:42:07 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:04:10 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | If it were to be implemented with symlinks (implying one entry is
> | "real" and the others are aliases) the package manager just nee
Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
An advantage to this approach is that package moves just become aliases
- existing stuff doesn't break yet you get the new categorisation as
well.
That's actually a disadvantage. The whole point of moving a package is to
take it *out* of its existing category. Just addi
Jakub Moc wrote:
as .cfg_** files. The end user still has to run an etc-update and
pray that it was not a file he/she had in masking.
Err, no? You don't need to run etc-update/dispatch-conf to get those
updated on package moves.
Incorrect. You do have to run etc-update/dispatch-conf.
Best r
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:04:10 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| If it were to be implemented with symlinks (implying one entry is
| "real" and the others are aliases) the package manager just needs to
| canonicalise any symlinked CPs it comes across.
Not that simple. Think about i
On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 06:04:10PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:05:20 -0700
> Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > >Unfortunately the category system is deeply embedded in portage
> > > >and the tree, so changing that system is simply not going to
> > > >happen
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:05:20 -0700
Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Unfortunately the category system is deeply embedded in portage
> > >and the tree, so changing that system is simply not going to
> > >happen, which is why I've stopped whinging about the semantic
> > >inadequacy of t
Jakub Moc wrote:
>>> Erm... Portage updates these automatically.
>> as .cfg_** files. The end user still has to run an etc-update and
>> pray that it was not a file he/she had in masking.
>
> Err, no? You don't need to run etc-update/dispatch-conf to get those
> updated on package moves.
Err, ye
Ned Ludd wrote:
>> | Well it should.
>> |
>> | package.keywords package.use package.mask etc..
>> |
>> | Where is the stability and consistency when we end up
>> | forcing people to update /etc/portage files...
>>
>> Erm... Portage updates these automatically.
>
> as .cfg_** files. The end use
On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 17:10 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:10:51 -0400 Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | Every single year quarter after quarter the more updates
> | that happen the slower portage is becoming.
> | Care to solve that?
>
> This is a minute amount of ti
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:24:55 -0700
Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:41:46PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:37:47 -0700
> > Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:05:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrot
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:05:20 -0700 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Just so we're clear, I probably will wedgie anyone who suggests
| trying to extend the existing tree format with N categories per pkg-
| sounds nice on paper, but it makes lookup a serious pita-
| sys-apps/portage, we'll
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:10:51 -0400 Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Every single year quarter after quarter the more updates
| that happen the slower portage is becoming.
| Care to solve that?
This is a minute amount of time in comparison to anything significant.
If you care about Portage sp
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> In fact, categories do not give us the complete ability to have two
> packages with the same upstream name in the tree ... because binary
> packages do not support category names at all.
B.
They do actually- the bintree *re
On 7/19/06, Kevin F. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In my opinion moving packages from one category to another just causes
unnecessary disruption to the tree - all relevant dependencies
throughout the tree have to be altered, putting current installations
out-of-date with respect to it.
Some
On Thursday 20 July 2006 22:24, Brian Harring wrote:
> err...
> emerge -s
> pquery
> paludis -q
Or for people into Web 2.0:
http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring= (that is what I use
usually, having aliased pgo: to that in konqueror ;) ).
--
Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò - http://farragut.f
On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 13:24 -0700, Brian Harring wrote:
> Not much experience then. Your use scenario above is "I'm looking
> for a package", not "I'm trying to find packages in category x".
>
> Of course categories don't matter to you in your case- you're not
> *using* them. What others are t
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:41:46PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:37:47 -0700
> Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:05:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100
> > > Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:37:47 -0700
Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:05:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100
> > Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
> > > <
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:05:03 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100
| Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
| > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > | Things that package moves cause:
| > | 1) Dep
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:05:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100
> Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > | Things that package moves cause:
> > | 1) Dependencies th
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | Things that package moves cause:
> | 1) Dependencies throughout the tree have to be updated
>
> And? This isn't a breakage.
It is h
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Things that package moves cause:
| 1) Dependencies throughout the tree have to be updated
And? This isn't a breakage.
| 2) Current installations become inconsistent with respect to the tree
Uh, current installations
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:40:07 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:18:22 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > Uh, as far as I recall, you've yet to come up with any technical
> | > explanation other than "it breaks one of my pet projects"...
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:17:30 -0400 Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > Uh, as far as I recall, you've yet to come up with any technical
| > explanation other than "it breaks one of my pet projects"... The
| > gains of consistency and manageability far outweigh the minor
| > inconvenience.
|
|
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:18:22 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > Uh, as far as I recall, you've yet to come up with any technical
| > explanation other than "it breaks one of my pet projects"... The
| > gains of consistency and manageability far outweigh the minor
| > inconvenienc
On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 15:15 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:34:37 -0400 Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | Creation of a new categories is fine. pkg moves are bad.
> | See the countless other posting on this subject of why pkg
> | moves are bad.
>
> Uh, as far as I r
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:34:37 -0400 Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Creation of a new categories is fine. pkg moves are bad.
| See the countless other posting on this subject of why pkg
| moves are bad.
Uh, as far as I recall, you've yet to come up with any technical
explanation other than
On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 14:53 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the herd of voip packages is constantly growing and according to
> "herdstat -p voip" we already have 60 packages in the voip herd. Those are
> currently in the categories net-misc, net-im, net-libs, dev-libs and
> media-libs. M
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