Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-09-09 Thread Joe Wells (reverse mailbox letters only for non-public replies)
[ This is my second try because the first time my e-mail address was not the subscribed address due to a bug. This means that Jan Kundrát's reply to this message may get threaded strangely or be missing. ] Jan Kundrát <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Joe Wells wrote: >> The best solution to t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-09-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:50:10 +0200 ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > | That'd also solve the cases where a terminal changes right | > | beneath a running application. That | > | happens during attaching a screen session. | > | > No it doesn't. Screen provides a virtual terminal with lots and | >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-09-08 Thread ivan
> | That'd also solve the cases where a terminal changes right beneath a > | running application. That > | happens during attaching a screen session. > > No it doesn't. Screen provides a virtual terminal with lots and lots of > capabilities. It then reduces them itself internally to what it thinks

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-09-07 Thread YoYo Siska
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 09:19:51PM +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote: > Joe Wells wrote: > > The best solution to this that I can think of is to extend OpenSSH > > with the capability to copy terminfo information to ~/.terminfo on the > > remote system. > > IMHO automated overwriting files in $HOME on ever

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-09-06 Thread Jan Kundrát
Joe Wells wrote: > The best solution to this that I can think of is to extend OpenSSH > with the capability to copy terminfo information to ~/.terminfo on the > remote system. IMHO automated overwriting files in $HOME on every login is a *very* bad thing. And if you wanted to remove those "-via-ss

[gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-09-01 Thread Joe Wells
Ciaran McCreesh gentoo.org> writes: > Now, there's a slight problem. If you have TERM=shinynewterm, and > you ssh to a box with an old terminfo database, you'll get a warning > or error that your terminal isn't recognised when you try to use an > ncurses-based application. You can either ask the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-29 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:28:28 +0200 "ivan vadovič" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I think the key thing here is that the application should be able to | ask the terminal for its feature set. Should and can are two entirely different things. We're dealing with reality here and trying to cope with fift

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-29 Thread Francesco R
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:43:54 -0400 Dan Meltzer ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >| putty pretends to be an xterm and dies at xtermcontrol --get-bg... I >| can test other things if you need.. just give me some idea :) > >Thanks. The other useful one is to see whether it does 256

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-29 Thread ivan vadovič
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:07:42PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 02:10:04 +0200 Sven Köhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | After the all, the whole mess can IMHO only be cleared up, if there's > | something like a universal terminal-type, and the application could > | ask the

[gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-23 Thread Sven Köhler
> See, certain terminal emulators lie about their TERM setting. Usually > it's things that aren't xterm pretending to be an xterm, although rxvt > sometimes crops up too. Examples of things pretending to be xterm > include Konsole, Gnome Terminal. > > The logic behind it goes like this: > > * We

[gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-23 Thread Sven Köhler
> The termcap method is provided by libtermcap-compat. Most applications > which use this method only do so as an option for systems where terminfo > is not available -- for example, for Vim, terminfo vs termcap is a > compile-time option. The termcap database is limited, generally out of > date an

[gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-22 Thread Dan Meltzer
mine ended up spitting out large amounts of gibberish and ruining the readability of the terminal... why would it be so different? On 8/22/05, Tavis Ormandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --On Monday, August 22, 2005 08:18:42 +0100 Tavis Ormandy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-22 Thread Tavis Ormandy
--On Monday, August 22, 2005 08:18:42 +0100 Tavis Ormandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --On Monday, August 22, 2005 00:21:16 + Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 12:08:00AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> Thanks. The other useful one is to see whe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-22 Thread Tavis Ormandy
--On Monday, August 22, 2005 00:21:16 + Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 12:08:00AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> Thanks. The other useful one is to see whether it does 256 colours >> properly like real xterm does. The following bash script, when run with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-21 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 12:08:00AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Thanks. The other useful one is to see whether it does 256 colours > properly like real xterm does. The following bash script, when run with > '256' as its argument, should look the same as it does when run under > a real xterm. No

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:43:54 -0400 Dan Meltzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | putty pretends to be an xterm and dies at xtermcontrol --get-bg... I | can test other things if you need.. just give me some idea :) Thanks. The other useful one is to see whether it does 256 colours properly like real xte

[gentoo-dev] Re: Fixing the TERM mess

2005-08-21 Thread Dan Meltzer
putty pretends to be an xterm and dies at xtermcontrol --get-bg... I can test other things if you need.. just give me some idea :) On 8/21/05, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:00:26 +0200 Henrik Brix Andersen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > * Install, either