[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-03 Thread Martin Vaeth
Mart Raudsepp wrote: > Ühel kenal päeval, K, 01.06.2016 kell 20:24, kirjutas Martin Vaeth: >> Gentoo has chosen this name so that as a side effect of setting >> USE=linguas_* you also get a correct LINGUAS variable exported >> (according to the USE-settings and your settings and according >> to th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Mart Raudsepp
Ühel kenal päeval, K, 01.06.2016 kell 20:24, kirjutas Martin Vaeth: > Gentoo has chosen this name so that as a side effect of setting > USE=linguas_* you also get a correct LINGUAS variable exported > (according to the USE-settings and your settings and according > to the ebuild's IUSE.) > These ar

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Martin Vaeth
Kent Fredric wrote: > On 2 June 2016 at 07:33, Martin Vaeth wrote: >> >> I prefer to have at least 5% of the ebuilds working and the other >> being fixable (if their maintainers want to spend the effort) >> than to remove a concept which breaks also these 5% and turns >> all ebuilds non-fixable,

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Martin Vaeth
Raymond Jennings wrote: > > I'd honestly as a minor issue like ot know why we called it linguas in the > first place. > [...] > I think though I should also point out...don't we already have existing > ebuilds that expose LINGUAS options in their USE flags? >From this posting, it is obvious that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Kent Fredric
On 2 June 2016 at 07:33, Martin Vaeth wrote: > > I prefer to have at least 5% of the ebuilds working and the other > being fixable (if their maintainers want to spend the effort) > than to remove a concept which breaks also these 5% and turns > all ebuilds non-fixable, in principle. Changing the

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Martin Vaeth
Michał Górny wrote: > > If more than 95% of ebuilds are broken, this proves that a concept is > broken. > > Well, feel free to live in your fairy land. I prefer to have at least 5% of the ebuilds working and the other being fixable (if their maintainers want to spend the effort) than to remove a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 18:18:53 + (UTC) Martin Vaeth wrote: > Michał Górny wrote: > > > > Do you have any numbers on how many ebuilds were exactly being fixed? > > And how many were broken in the process because someone failed to > > update linguas_*? > > Broken ebuilds are a reason to fix th

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Martin Vaeth
Michał Górny wrote: > > Do you have any numbers on how many ebuilds were exactly being fixed? > And how many were broken in the process because someone failed to > update linguas_*? Broken ebuilds are a reason to fix the ebuilds, but not a reason to replace a working concept by a hack which only

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 16:27:16 + (UTC) Martin Vaeth wrote: > Michał Górny wrote: > >> > >>Therefore, I suggest to put this line in l10n.eclass > >>(perhaps with a mechanism to avoid it for some exceptional packages > >>which have to treat LINGUAS differently.) > >>This way, none of these ebuild

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Martin Vaeth
Michał Górny wrote: >> >>Therefore, I suggest to put this line in l10n.eclass >>(perhaps with a mechanism to avoid it for some exceptional packages >>which have to treat LINGUAS differently.) >>This way, none of these ebuilds inheriting l10n needs to be patched. > > This eclass should be killed wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Raymond Jennings
I'd honestly as a minor issue like ot know why we called it linguas in the first place. Linguas itself is latin/romance based in name, so gentoo at least has been showing a bit of a bias. Personally I think its a bad name on neutrality grounds alone. I think though I should also point out...don'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 1 czerwca 2016 16:03:40 CEST, Mart Raudsepp napisał(a): >Ühel kenal päeval, K, 01.06.2016 kell 15:19, kirjutas Michał Górny: >> As for LINGUAS, it should be left as a toy for advanced users and not >> presented as a recommended solution. > >There is nothing advanced in it for the user, only t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Mart Raudsepp
Ühel kenal päeval, K, 01.06.2016 kell 15:19, kirjutas Michał Górny: > As for LINGUAS, it should be left as a toy for advanced users and not > presented as a recommended solution. There is nothing advanced in it for the user, only the mess we have created with package manager behaviour and mis-use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 1 czerwca 2016 11:23:09 CEST, Martin Vaeth napisał(a): >Michał Górny wrote: >> >> 1. Get approval on INSTALL_MASK GLEP [1] and finish implementing it >> in Portage. > >As already mentioned by some, INSTALL_MASK is something else than >LINGUAS, because LINGUAS involves also files which are ge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 31 maja 2016 23:34:07 CEST, "Jörg Schaible" napisał(a): >How can I select different linguas for individual packages with this >approach? Using the currently available mechanisms you could use package.env to alter INSTALL_MASK, e.g.: /etc/portage/env/german: INSTALL_MASK="@l10n -@l10n-d

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-06-01 Thread Martin Vaeth
Michał Górny wrote: > > 1. Get approval on INSTALL_MASK GLEP [1] and finish implementing it > in Portage. As already mentioned by some, INSTALL_MASK is something else than LINGUAS, because LINGUAS involves also files which are generated by the build system. Although I appreciate a more configurab

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-05-31 Thread Duncan
Daniel Campbell posted on Tue, 31 May 2016 10:31:22 -0700 as excerpted: > I think this idea has some potential, but would there be a way for a > user to choose L10N *or* INSTALL_MASK instead of both? If I understand > correctly, a person who wanted all of their system to be en_US only, but > wante

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-05-31 Thread Duncan
Andrew Savchenko posted on Tue, 31 May 2016 20:08:10 +0300 as excerpted: > If we are going to do an instant move from LINGUAS to L10N (no graced > period as discussed here on another thread), why to rename variable in > the first place? Because the LINGUAS var is hopelessly tangled up in various

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-05-31 Thread Francesco Riosa
2016-06-01 0:03 GMT+02:00 Mike Gilbert : > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Jörg Schaible > wrote: > > How can I select different linguas for individual packages with this > > approach? > > Why would you want to? > > In addition to Jörg Schaible answer: I do use my kde sessions with en_US langua

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-05-31 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote: > How can I select different linguas for individual packages with this > approach? Why would you want to?

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-05-31 Thread Jörg Schaible
How can I select different linguas for individual packages with this approach? Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > Since the previous thread doesn't seem to have brought any good > solution to the problem other than stopping to (ab)use LINGUAS > as USE_EXPAND, I would like to start a RFC

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Masterplan for solving LINGUAS problems

2016-05-31 Thread James Le Cuirot
On Tue, 31 May 2016 23:34:07 +0200 Jörg Schaible wrote: > How can I select different linguas for individual packages with this > approach? You could probably set INSTALL_MASK and L10N via /etc/portage/package.env. -- James Le Cuirot (chewi) Gentoo Linux Developer pgpIJXJOrenuN.pgp Descripti