Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 20:46 Sun 13 Sep , Ryan Hill wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:15:34 +0200 > Sebastian Pipping wrote: > > Ryan Hill wrote: > > > Personally I don't see how gaming the system helps us in any way. > > > > I was afraid it could be read in such a way. Handing out fake version > > numbers would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-20 Thread Angelo Arrifano
Duncan wrote: > Sebastian Pipping posted on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:00:03 +0200 as excerpted: > >> Duncan wrote: >>> [L]et's get some context here. layman's no difficulty at all, really, >>> when compared to the ordinary stuff we expect Gentoo users to do all >>> the time. >> I think you forget about

[gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-20 Thread Duncan
Sebastian Pipping posted on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:00:03 +0200 as excerpted: > Duncan wrote: >> [L]et's get some context here. layman's no difficulty at all, really, >> when compared to the ordinary stuff we expect Gentoo users to do all >> the time. > > I think you forget about the learning curve:

[gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:15:34 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Ryan Hill wrote: > > Personally I don't see how gaming the system helps us in any way. > > I was afraid it could be read in such a way. Handing out fake version > numbers would be much easier, wouldn't it? I want every single packag

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Alex Legler wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:08:38 -0500, Dale wrote: > > >> As has been said before, a lot of people don't go to the forums to see >> the poll. I only go to the forums to search if I have a problem >> before posting to the list. There may have been a dozen polls on the >> foru

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Alex Legler
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:08:38 -0500, Dale wrote: > As has been said before, a lot of people don't go to the forums to see > the poll. I only go to the forums to search if I have a problem > before posting to the list. There may have been a dozen polls on the > forums and I would have no idea the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Alex Legler wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:25:19 -0500, Dale wrote: > > >> Where are these referrer logs? I don't recall ever doing one of >> those. >> >> > > They are in the web server logs. Apache includes them in the "combined" > log format, or you can add them in a custom log format

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Alex Legler
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:25:19 -0500, Dale wrote: > > Where are these referrer logs? I don't recall ever doing one of > those. > They are in the web server logs. Apache includes them in the "combined" log format, or you can add them in a custom log format. So cooperation with Infra is require

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Dale wrote: > >> Good question. How would a person know if distrowatch leads people to >> Gentoo or not? It's not like there is really any way to find out. >> > > - analysing referrer logs > - doing polls > > > > sebastian > > > Where are these referrer logs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Duncan wrote: > Agreed. Yes, overlays are perhaps a bit more trouble to setup than > simply maintaining normal tree updates once setup. But let's get some > context here. layman's no difficulty at all, really, when compared to > the ordinary stuff we expect Gentoo users to do all the time. G

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Dale wrote: > Good question. How would a person know if distrowatch leads people to > Gentoo or not? It's not like there is really any way to find out. - analysing referrer logs - doing polls sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Albert Hopkins wrote: > On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 09:36 -0500, Dale wrote: > Seriously, I doubt that the average Gentoo user comes from >> Distrowatch. >> Gentoo is born from a necessity which is very different from the >> usual >> binary distro.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 09:36 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> Seriously, I doubt that the average Gentoo user comes from > Distrowatch. > >> Gentoo is born from a necessity which is very different from the > usual > >> binary distro. Gentoo has never been about fame or marketing. > - - I came here because

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Duncan wrote: > Jesús Guerrero posted on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:11:42 +0200 as excerpted: > > >> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:02:44 +0200, Sebastian Pipping >> wrote: >> >>> Among other information the Gentoo page at DistroWatch [1] displays a >>> table on about 200 selected packages [2] and how up

[gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Duncan
Jesús Guerrero posted on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:11:42 +0200 as excerpted: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:02:44 +0200, Sebastian Pipping > wrote: >> >> Among other information the Gentoo page at DistroWatch [1] displays a >> table on about 200 selected packages [2] and how up to date Gentoo is >> per pack

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-12 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Ryan Hill wrote: > Personally I don't see how gaming the system helps us in any way. I was afraid it could be read in such a way. Handing out fake version numbers would be much easier, wouldn't it? I want every single package int he tree to be stable, up to date and polished. But as our resourc

[gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-11 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:02:44 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Among other information the Gentoo page at DistroWatch [1] displays a > table on about 200 selected packages [2] and how up to date Gentoo is > per package. I assume that DistroWatch is still one of the first places > people go to get