[gentoo-dev] GLEP54 vs. package.mask (was: Council meeting summary for meeting on May 14, 2009)

2009-05-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2009/05/17, Thomas Anderson wrote: > - Vote on GLEP 54 > This vote was called for by dertobi123. The vote was on > whether to approve GLEP 54 conditional on whether GLEP 55 is passed. > The reason for this is that GLEP 54 is unimplementable without the > problems mentioned in GLEP

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 55 updated

2009-05-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2009/05/17, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Let's take a very simple > > example: > > - eapi X says "_p is equal to _p0" > > - eapi Y says "_p is greater than any _pN" > > --> of "foo-1_p1 with EAPI=X" and "foo-1_p with EAPI=Y", what is > > the "best" version? > > You don't define it quit

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 55 updated

2009-05-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
Hi, On 2009/05/17, Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: > I have just updated GLEP 55 [1], hopefully making it a bit clearer. In the GLEP, you raises the following argument against the "Easily fetchable EAPI inside the ebuild" class of solutions: > Performance decrease comes from the fact that with versio

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New RESTRICT=live value for identification of live ebuilds?

2008-08-02 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2008/08/02, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > USE flags are something that can be enable or disabled Here, what the flag would enable/disable is belonging of live packages to the @live-rebuild set. Compared to the RESTRICT solution, user gains an easy per-package control of this set (su

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New RESTRICT=live value for identification of live ebuilds?

2008-08-02 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2008/08/01, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It might good to add support for a new RESTRICT=live value in > ebuilds. Since some people have a problem with this flag being put there, what about IUSE=live-rebuild as an alternative? It's "use.desc" would be something like "add this pack

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55

2008-06-10 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2008/06/11, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're missing the cases where the cache isn't usable. > I was not talking about generating cache entries, and neither were you. I've replied to you because you were suggesting that the "EAPI in ebuilds contents" solution had extra cost

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55

2008-06-10 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2008/06/10, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently we don't touch the ebuild's content *at all* for metadata > operations, except where there's no or stale metadata cache (which is > rare). We can get away with this currently because 0 and 1 have > identical cache layouts and PM

Re: User patches (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sys-apps/iproute2: ChangeLog iproute2-2.6.24.20080108.ebuild)

2008-03-31 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2008/03/31, Vlastimil Babka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that maybe we should first introduce new patching phase and > then make this user patch really usable feature. For example if you > want to patch something that's input to running autotools, doing it > in post_src_unpack is too la

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: I want to steal your tools

2008-02-04 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2008/02/04, Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can someone provide a tool that given a package name simply prints > the category or cat/pkg, or if ambiguous, prints the multiple > cat/pkgs or returns an error code? I don't care what it's written in > as long as it's relatively quick. As

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-23 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/12/23, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a) It's a massive restriction on what future ebuilds can do. - it handles a reasonnable range of likely future EAPIs, - it includes the "extension changes when the way to extract EAPI has to change" to avoid bounding future EAPIs to th

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-22 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/12/22, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The filename solution is by far the best -- it's the only one that > hasn't had any technical objections raised to it. And can you remind us what technical objection, if any, has been raised against the "EAPI set in contents with enough

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-20 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/12/20, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh, it works in both those cases. The package manager will simply not > see the ebuild at all. > > Which is pretty much the point... Yes, because a change in the way EAPI is read implies a change in the files naming rule, so that the PM

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-19 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/12/19, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:12:24 +0100 > Thomas de Grenier de Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You're done as long as ebuilds are written in bash. > > Not even that. What if people decide that rathe

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-18 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/12/19, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:08:52 +0100 > Thomas de Grenier de Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's no need to introduce a potential infinity of new files > > extensions for that. A single o

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-18 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/12/18, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, users shouldn't really be doing anything with .ebuild files... As a user, i often end reading part of some ebuilds to get a clue about what the generic "foo" USE flag does in a particular package ("qgrep -A3 -B2 -Nx '\' cat/pkg-ver

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-18 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/12/18, Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 18 December 2007 01:36:51 Thomas de Grenier de Latour > wrote: > > Why can't it be in the file but readable without sourcing? For > > instance, it could be mandatory that EAPI=X, if present, mu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/12/18, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:10:46 -0700 > Joe Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I probably missed some of the stuff leading up to this GLEP, but > > what is the problem with having the EAPI in the file and > > determining it by looking a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/12/17, Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://dev.gentoo.org/~peper/glep-0055.html > * Possibility to extend the versioning rules in an EAPI, and to > use them immediately in the Gentoo tree. For example, addition of > the scm suffix - GLEP54 [1]. ... > Currently ebuilds

Re: [gentoo-dev] striping blank lines (was: stripping out the DO NOT REPLY from bugzie emails)

2007-10-22 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/10/22, Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > В Пнд, 22/10/2007 в 19:21 +0200, Elias Probst пишет: > > To delete empty lines with sed, just do a > > sed '/^$/d' > > I hope that's what you're looking for. > > No. awk command in the previous mail substituted 2 or more empty lines > wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-php5/onphp: ChangeLog onphp-0.10.6.ebuild onphp-0.10.4.ebuild onphp-0.10.3.ebuild

2007-10-14 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/10/14, Drake Wyrm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or, since you already have the command substitution there, how about: > > dodoc `find doc -maxdepth 1 -type f` Or even better, how about explicitly listing the relevant files (ChangeLog, AUTHORS, FEATURES, THANKS, README, CodingStyle,

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to add a service to /etc/services?

2007-10-07 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/10/07, Ulrich Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which leads me to the question: What is the recommended way to add a > service to /etc/services? FYI, attached is a list of ebuilds which touch /etc/services. I count eight packages, which do it in either src_install, pkg_postinst, or

Re: [gentoo-dev] iuse defaults example

2007-07-15 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/07/15, Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:53:08 +0200 > Thomas de Grenier de Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My point is just that it doesn't work that well with the USE_ORDER > > that have been chosen. E

Re: [gentoo-dev] iuse defaults example

2007-07-15 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/07/10, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > for some flags yes ... for others, i dislike that idea for the exact > same reason for the other profile-based suggestions: these defaults > should live in the ebuild, not the profile I agree that putting per-package defaults in ebuilds i

Re: [gentoo-dev] iuse defaults example

2007-07-10 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/07/10, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the no* flags were introduced more to address default behavior than > the -* case, so yes we can kick many of the no* USE flags > To address only the default behavior, adding "foo" to the profile USE instead of using a "nofoo" flag wo

Re: [gentoo-dev] iuse defaults example

2007-07-10 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/07/10, Thilo Bangert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - we could finally kick all the no* USE flags. USE flags are use > flags - they determine what should be used. not what should not be > used... Because of the way USE flags stack in Portage (the USE_ORDER variable), IUSE defaults are not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID -> NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-25 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/03/25, Benno Schulenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Precisely. "NOTABUG" sounds less harsh than "INVALID" (for some > just a little, for others a lot), it is less likely to irk people, > and it is also used elsewhere, so why not use it instead? > Not that i care that much, but imho

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/03/19, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the nice thing about having a ~/.config/ [...] Other nice things about it come from it not being an hardcoded path, but just a default for $XDG_CONFIG_HOME. For instance, when testing a new version of an application, you can "XDG_CONFI

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/03/18, Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even better: Fix them to use ~/.config/ instead You mean "${XDG_CONFIG_HOME:-${HOME}/.config}/", right? http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/ar01s03.html -- TGL. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/03/12, Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matches "`which " > ... > And matches "$(which " > ... Also there are some occurences in eclasses: ./eclass/enlightenment.eclass: cp $(which gettextize) "${T}"/ || die "could not copy gettextize" ./eclass/fortran.eclass: elif [ -x "$(w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/03/12, Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you really that dense? http://tdegreni.free.fr/slong.png Seriously, no need to even read this emails to guess who is being dense today. -- TGL. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Grepping for some automagic deps in ebuilds

2007-03-04 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
I was bored yesterday, so i have updated and re-run an old script i had which tries to find ebuilds doing things like that: DEPEND="foo? ( cat-bar/libfoo )" src_compile() { econf || die emake || die } The problem here is that, if libfoo is installed, it will be linked to even

Re: [gentoo-dev] Install locations for doc packages

2007-02-24 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:31:51 -0600, Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some additional infos about this DOC_SYMLINKS_DIR feature, since it seems the ebuild(5) doc has not been merged: - the symlinks are not automatically created to any /usr/share/doc/ subdir that the ebuild creates, but only t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reliance upon || ( use? ( ) ) behaviour

2007-02-22 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:08:48 +, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As has been discussed in the past, the only correct way of handling > this from an ebuild perspective is lots of use && has_version calls Which sounds like trying to mimic whatever the deps solver logic may have been

Re: [gentoo-dev] make_desktop_entry in eutils.eclass

2007-01-31 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:30:53 -0500, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > about the only thing that'd work is an additional parameter called > "cruft" that'd be passed unfiltered into the .desktop file You can also imagine a "-v" switch, which would make this function print the full path (w

Re: [gentoo-dev] What's the use of mozilla-launcher?

2006-11-13 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:17:46 -0700, "Richard Fish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/13/06, Thomas de Grenier de Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Huh? Both of the following requests are equivalent: > > http://foo.bar/param-1,param-2%2Cwith%2

Re: [gentoo-dev] What's the use of mozilla-launcher?

2006-11-13 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:02:25 +0100, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem with that is, that openURL accepts two parameters and > they are seperated with a ,. So it sees two parameters: > http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,447923 and 00.html - 00.html > is not a valid param

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Global USE flags (Was: mplayer global use flag)

2006-11-04 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:56:23 -0600, Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Caleb Cushing wrote: > > > maybe it would be a lot of work. to even develop the tools. but it > > would be nice if a global use flag could have a detailed option. > > this has been discussed a few times before. i think

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:08:36 -0700, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If a flag is supposed to be resisant to -*, then > use.force/package.use.force are the existing ways to accomplish that. Arrh, i had completly forgotten that you had added *use.force files support already. Well, sorry fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:40:59 -0700, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aside from being package specific, the per-package default USE flags > behave much like USE flags that are currently listed in profiles' > make.defaults. The flags are stacked incrementally as usual. The > ebuild level d

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Package Manager Specification: configuration protection

2006-09-14 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:47:12 +0200, Benno Schulenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would much prefer new files to be treated as if replacing an > existing zero length file. ... > it should be up to tools like etc-update to (configurably) automerge > new files A quick look through my CONFIG_PR

Re: [gentoo-dev] per-package USE defaults

2006-08-10 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:18:10 -0700, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Stuart Herbert wrote: > > Any chance of per-package USE defaults support? That's much more > > useful to me. > > Attached to bug 61732 there's a patch that implements

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-08 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:22:50 -0700, Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > forcing cxx on via package.mask for gcc > sys-devel/gcc[-cxx] If i want to build a cxx-free system, am i supposed to add "sys-devel/gcc[-cxx]" to its package.unmask? If so, what will prevent Portage upgrading to some p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms

2006-06-05 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:23:58 -0400, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are *many* applications in the tree that do not use ALSA, but > work only via the OSS emulation. Removing this is a bad idea and it > would definitely be blocked by the games team. Probably half of the > pack

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:48:07 -0700, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - at the opposite of the xorg-x11 meta ebuild, a pkg_setup check > > xorg-server ("if hasq ati $VIDEO_CARDS; then eerror ...") makes > > sense, since it would die at the right time, before the drivers > > updates.

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:43:32 -0700, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is requiring everyone to unmerge drivers a worse solution than > breaking some people who emerged drivers directly? Depends how many people are on each side i guess. But here, i would expect really very few people to

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:19:48 -0700, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Simon Stelling wrote: > > Donnie Berkholz wrote: > >> We are working to ensure the dependencies work as smoothly as > >> possible, but I expect there will be some issues since it's > >> difficult to require updates to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Let portage symlink latest version of installed docs

2006-04-08 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:48:12 +0200, Fabian Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to have bookmarks for my most used documentation in my > browser. Yup, me too. See bug #67130. The feature is optional (you have to set DOC_SYMLINKS_DIR in make.conf). Symlinks are autocreated when there is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Improving Gentoo User Relations

2006-04-07 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:48:12 -0400, Michael Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 07 April 2006 11:15, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:21:54 +0100, > > > > I would also suggest creation of a gentoo-dev-help@ mailing-list. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Improving Gentoo User Relations

2006-04-07 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:21:54 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * If we're looking to increase the flow of end users -> super users -> > developers, perhaps we should focus more upon improving development > tools or development documentation. I would also suggest creation of a gen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-07 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:45:01 -0500, Daniel Ostrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > portage will need to know that the location, on the distfiles > mirrors, of cronolog, is now the equivilent of > mirror://gentoo/${firstchar} And what about the "local" mirror type, that one can define in /etc/portage/m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-04 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:04:22 +0100, Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: > > post_src_install() { rm -rf ${D}usr/share/doc ; } > > This way, files will be deleted for real, before getting merged or > > added to your bi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-04 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:18:22 -0600, MIkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can it exclude things from being included in binary packages? AFAIK, no. But what you could use (with portage-2.1) is a hook function in /etc/portage/bashrc: post_src_install() { rm -rf ${D}usr/share/doc ; } This way, fil

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-04 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:44:22 +, "Stuart Herbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless a user looks inside the ebuild, they're not going to > understand why the USE flags they've selected has resulted in a > package that doesn't actually have those features. ... > This is going to *create* more s

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:02:10 -0500, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > >if [ "${IS_UPGRADE}" = "1" ] ; then > >einfo "Removing old version ${REMOVE_PKG}" > > > >emerge -C "${REMOVE_PKG}" > >fi > > > > > > > Semantics of the logic aside, c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Duplicated entries in use.desc and use.local.desc

2006-02-13 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
Le Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:28:05 -0500, Mark Loeser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > By allowing duplicate entries we just allow people to put useless > information in two places instead of one. > Maybe i'm a bit naive, but that sounds very pessimistic to me. I would rather think that devs who will a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Duplicated entries in use.desc and use.local.desc

2006-02-13 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
Le Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:39:22 -0600, R Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > TGL did some work on this under bug #84884, though his changes are > more invasive than what i had in mind. I don't see the need for > portage to dig through use.*desc when euse already works and equery > can pretty easily

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Fwd: Re: official branding ( gentoo )]

2006-02-06 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:09:08 +0900 Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > use svg && use canvas && . --enable-official-branding { use svg && use canvas && ... ; } \ || use '!bindist' \ && ... --enable-official-branding Why I think "bindist" is an appropriate flag here is because onl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make logrotate a global USE flag?

2006-01-29 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:51:29 -0800 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And any other "new" file in /etc you also want a USE flag > introduced for? Sounds real scalable. Or is this just an > exception from the rule? Sure it's an exception. I make the difference beetween: - usual /etc/ fi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make logrotate a global USE flag?

2006-01-29 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:51:25 -0800 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: > > Or again another one (a bit ugly imho tho): merge the files in > > an "/etc/logrotate.d.dist" directory, and add an eselect module > > to h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make logrotate a global USE flag?

2006-01-29 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:07:15 +0100 Thomas de Grenier de Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i would not appreciate to see it suddenly handling a new service > because a xinet.d file has been silently added by a new version > of an ebuild. Ok, i see all files i have installed i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make logrotate a global USE flag?

2006-01-29 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:58:52 -0800 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You want people to recompile the whole package to get another > text file installed? When would one recompile a package just for that? Only case i can think of is when someone who already has setup his apache / ftp /

Re: [gentoo-dev] torsmo has been recontinued named conky. plan2 on removing torsmo

2006-01-05 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:39:13 +0100 Thomas Matthijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Daniel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > step 4. > > package.move torsmo -> conky > > This will do _bad_ things if someone has both installed > Bah, here it's ~ okay because torsmo versions are lower than the ones

Re: [gentoo-dev] torsmo has been recontinued named conky. plan on removing torsmo

2006-01-05 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:55:48 +0100 Thomas de Grenier de Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it would be better to package.mask it with some comment > like "Deprecated, masked in favor of app-admin/conky", because > that's something emerge reports when it make

Re: [gentoo-dev] torsmo has been recontinued named conky. plan on removing torsmo

2006-01-05 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:08:13 +1100 Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I propose removing torsmo and placing a package.move entry so > that conky will be the logical upgrade (after all it was the same > code base). How will users understand what happened to their good old torsmo, which used to wor

Re: [gentoo-dev] pkg_{pre,post}inst misusage

2005-12-23 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:22:06 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PackageA is installed, PackageB is installed, PackageB is > uninstalled -> PackageA is broken. Does this case exist? Found two on my system: * "/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults -> /etc/X11/app-defaults" is installed by sever

Re: [gentoo-dev] checdeps.rb for getting deps out of elf files

2005-12-23 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:09:08 +0200 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Basically it does ldd on all the elf files in a package and then > checks to which packages those libraries belong. I don't think "ldd" alone is the way to go, because it doesn't make distinction beetween direct and ind

Re: [gentoo-dev] http://people.gentoo.org/

2005-12-06 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:12:04 + Luis Medinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would be great if we can get a full rewrite instead of a > redirect. On the other hand, having redirects is much better for googling devs' pages. Queries like "site:dev.gentoo.org cross compile" will continue to work

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:27:10 + Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i know they are executables, that's why we're talking about a > specific subdir of lib > > libexec clutters /usr while /usr/lib/misc hides it nicely ... > afterall, this are internal binaries that end user should never

Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-22 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:21:49 +0100 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People might also be interested in looking at Aaron's own page > for the design. It seems to be a bit clearer: > > http://www.aaronshi.com/gentoo/ > One thing i notice is that the three bottom menus are only shown on

Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign

2005-11-22 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:51:44 +0100 Sven Vermeulen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> A good start could be to do that the quick and ugly way, thanks >> to Google (with some "site:www.gentoo.org/some/thing/" and other >> black magic in the query terms). > [...] > - Google bases its search functionality

Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign

2005-11-22 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:04:53 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > or you could make it the dropdown list so people can pick > bugs.gentoo.org/gentoo.org/forums.gentoo.org/whatever Exactly, that's what i would like too. More specificaly, it could be something like this: http://tdegre

Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign

2005-11-21 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:11:14 + Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 01:53:01AM +0100, Ingo Bormuth wrote: > > > > - Where is the "Search for __ in section __" field ? I > > would expect it somewhere on the top. See http://php.net for a > > good and tiny

Re: [gentoo-dev] opinion on how to improve the website redesign

2005-11-21 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:09:55 + Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - the bar at the top which blathers on about what Gentoo has to > offer i could do without completely (imo, you can read the About > page) What about keeping it on front page only? (with the vertical size issue fixed s

Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-21 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 02:18:21 -0500 Curtis Napier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm asking for everyone (developers and users alike) to please > have a look at the updated site and send any feedback you may > have. Firefox-1.0.7 here, on a 1024x768 screen, and i think there is too much wasted spac

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-20 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:23:19 +0100 "Spider (D.m.D. Lj.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 11:55 -0800, Michael Marineau wrote: > > > For users who do like the functionality just properly document > > the existance of USE_ORDER in the install guide. > > However, I'd -also- want

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reminder on dependencies.

2005-10-25 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:37:03 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The consequences of the two sides are like this, from what I can > see: > > 1) Headers are run-time and build-time deps > 2) Headers are build-time deps only Imho, that case fall under the concept of "exported deps" i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improved ebuild information

2005-10-10 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:23:29 -0600 R Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what other than equery would need to be fixed to recognize > the overlay? is there anything that would explicitly break if a > USE flag was in both use.desc and use.local.desc? > Last time this feature was discussed here, i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dirt: To shove under the rug or not shove under the rug? (aka another round of USE_EXPAND)

2005-09-27 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:35:43 -0400 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately, even trying to add -linguas_fr to package.use, > still results in the French language pack being installed over > the English. This reminds me bug #104573: it was the same problem where some LINGUAS=

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dirt: To shove under the rug or not shove under the rug? (aka another round of USE_EXPAND)

2005-09-27 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:23:25 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bug 23826: Give more visibility to ebuilds variables (ALSA_CARDS, > etc.) Just to make it clear if it wasn't: although some comments made it derive toward USE_EXPANDed vars, the above bug was at the begining about advert

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Say no to static libraries!

2005-09-23 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:10:11 +0200 Ervin Nemeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you feel the need for a new USE flag? There is already a "static" flag, and that's what it actually does for some packages (most gnome-related libs for instance). Side note: i'm not saying it's the perfect solution t

Re: Two-level USE-flag system VAR: [gentoo-dev] USE="minimal" for kernel sources

2005-09-23 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:28:35 +0200 Tom Fredrik Blenning Klaussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now as for the USE flag system. It has actually become so big > that it's difficult to use it effectively. I would actually > suggest that a two level system of USE flags could be employed. > Something li

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolution - GTK Useflag Situation

2005-09-19 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:48:43 + (UTC) "John N. Laliberte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How to keep gtk1 off of your system: > * use the proper, built in methods for this: add > "=x11-libs/gtk+-1*" to /etc/portage/package.mask. Since this may not be that easy for the end-user (lots of ebuilds t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Resolution - GTK Useflag Situation

2005-09-18 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:28:16 + (UTC) Joshua Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A few more that I didn't see in the list > > media-libs/imlib : gtk1 only > media-libs/smpeg : gtk1 only > media-sound/lame : gtk1 only > media-video/mplayer: gtk1 it would appear? > I think it's on purpose th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage log suggestion

2005-09-12 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:01:29 -0500 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're seeing two logs due to the fact you have > FEATURES="buildpkg" on; No need to use buildpkg for that, the counter is always incremented before pkg_postinst, creating a 2nd log for that phase (and then pkg_*rm crea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Handling "exactly one of many" dependencies

2005-07-07 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:14:36 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:04:59 +0200 Thomas de Grenier de Latour > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Thus, the src_compile should use some has_version instead: > | if has_version media-lib/sdl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Handling "exactly one of many" dependencies

2005-07-07 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:17:48 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the only argument ive heard against using || ( ) is binary > packages due to the 'accept any' nature of || ( ) There are issues that don't affect only binary package but also from-sources installation. The example was:

Re: [gentoo-dev] src_configure

2005-07-06 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 02:04:04 +0200 Sven Wegener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We would like to split up src_compile. The new src_configure > should just do the econf part and src_compile should do the > emake part. Just by curiosity, i've run a grep on the tree to count occurences of "^[[:space:]]*

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: qt.eclass

2005-07-02 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:52:55 +0300 Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe I should try to do that now, depending on their answer to > my new comment in 33545... You may also want to have a look on bug #4315, since version range is no more than a particular case of AND dependency. -- TGL. -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: qt.eclass

2005-07-01 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:45:57 +0300 Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd rather signal failure to code outside the subshell by > touching a file in $T. > The ${T} directory does not exists when portage source an ebuild to get its metadatas, so I'm not sure that's a good idea. Btw, what's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: qt.eclass

2005-06-30 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:38:32 -0400 Aron Griffis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, it's more visible, but it doesn't stop the emerge. I > just put DEPEND="$(die)" into an ebuild to test. Something that "works" better (ie., "makes portage stop during metadata caching") is to put a non-zero return

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: qt.eclass

2005-06-30 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:01:42 +0200 Thomas de Grenier de Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems that portage evaluates disjonction left to right and > stops on the first match it founds. Sure, the above holds only for picking a package to install when the dep is not already sat

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: qt.eclass

2005-06-30 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:33:04 -0500 Caleb Tennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > $(qt_min_version 3.3) == "|| ( =x11-libs/qt-3.3.3 > =x11-libs/qt-3.3.3-r1 =x11-libs/qt-3.3.3-r2 > =x11-libs/qt-3.3.3-r3 =x11-libs/qt-3.3.4 ) > It seems that portage evaluates disjonction left to right and stops on th

Re: [gentoo-dev] splitting one source package into many binaries

2005-06-17 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:50:47 -0300 Rafael Espíndola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has someone worked on changing ebuild so that it could create > many binary packages from one source? A less intrusive solution (well, i think, although it would still be an important change) would be to have some k

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Glibc, non-glibc and external libs

2005-06-16 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:26:40 +0200 Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They can inherit from $PORTDIR profiles, assuming that you know > t he values of $PORTDIR and $PORTDIR_OVERLAY, just figure the > relative path out. Of course that's a problem if you can't rely > on defaults and a cleaner

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force support

2005-06-15 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:40:48 +0200 Sven Wegener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We just had a short discussion over in #gentoo-portage and the > idea of an use.force file for profiles came up. It allows us to > force some USE flags to be turned on for a profile. It's not > possible to disable this f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: i have an idea ! (erescue)

2005-05-16 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Mon, 16 May 2005 03:24:21 -0700 Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thus, my suggestion. Why not create a second feature, > toolchain-buildpkg, I'm calling it here for purposes of > developing the suggestion, that's on by default, as contrasted > to the normal buildpkg being off by default.

Re: [gentoo-dev] module-rebuild

2005-05-05 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Wed, 04 May 2005 08:34:34 +0100 John Mylchreest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought about this, but not wanting to depend on gentoolkit > makes using equery for example a little awkward. > This, I'm sure isn't fully feature-rich yet - and something > like this will be the next addition to go

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage ebuild cruft

2005-04-29 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 01:51:33 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://dev.gentoo.org/~jstubbs/docs/virtuals-glep.txt > Oh, i hadn't seen this version of the proposal yet, it's quite good :) -- TGL. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage ebuild cruft

2005-04-29 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:38:58 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yep. That's the scanning of all installed packages for any > provided virtuals. Maybe that's a stupid idea, but I wonder whether removing empty PROVIDE files from the vardb could save some time here. I see that in grabf

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-04-28 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:23:09 -0400 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe for embedded or livecd? Maybe for people that don't use > logrotate? > I would add a more general reason which is that this kind of "something.d" config files are much more invasive than others, and thus shou

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