On 00:13 Wed 12 Feb , Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
> Right now, I don't really get the point of this discussion given all the
> precedent threads about this, be it 2 years ago and 8-10 years ago.
I spent a while tonight digging up this post from 2005, which nicely
describes where we were with
On 20/02/14 04:46 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Chris Reffett wrote:
>> This does not affect sys-boot/grub's USE=multislot, as that
>> does not mangle the SLOT value like the others (as I understand it).
>
> Right. USE=multislot on grub just toggles the renaming of th
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Chris Reffett wrote:
> This does not affect sys-boot/grub's USE=multislot, as that
> does not mangle the SLOT value like the others (as I understand it).
Right. USE=multislot on grub just toggles the renaming of the grub-foo
commands to grub2-foo, in case someone
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Dnia 2014-02-19, o godz. 17:07:26
Chris Reffett napisał(a):
> -Regarding the gtk/gtk2/gtk3 USE flag situation: we mandate that gtk
> move to versioned USE flags. For simplicity of migration, we will allow
> USE=gtk to mean "depend on gtk2," since there are only a few USE=gtk2
> remaining in tree.
Le 19 févr. 2014 à 23:07, Chris Reffett a écrit :
> Hello all,
> The following are the policy changes from this month's QA team meeting:
[…]
> -Regarding the gtk/gtk2/gtk3 USE flag situation: we mandate that gtk
> move to versioned USE flags. For simplicity of migration, we will allow
> USE=gtk t
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 2014-02-20, o godz. 14:12:17
> Lars Wendler napisał(a):
>
> > So what can we do? Three solutions came to my mind which I list
> > here in the order first being my favorite, last being my least
> > favorite:
> >
> > 1.)
> > Make portage'
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 12:27:30 +0200
Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
> On 20/02/14 12:07, Duncan wrote:
> > Samuli Suominen posted on Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:55:44 +0200 as
> > excerpted:
> >
> >> On 20/02/14 00:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>> Following up to today's QA meeting: The gtk3 USE flag is used by
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:41:58 +
hasufell wrote:
> But the question is... what sane alternative to REQUIRED_USE? That
> will also have impact on a lot of eclasses.
Either pkg_pretend, or Exherbo's MYOPTIONS.
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> On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:48:11 +0100 Ulrich Mueller
> wrote:
>> We don't want users having to solve a Zebra Puzzle [1] (or, for
>> the more theoretically inclined, a satisfiability problem [2]) to
>> find an acceptable combination o
Dnia 2014-02-20, o godz. 14:12:17
Lars Wendler napisał(a):
> So what can we do? Three solutions came to my mind which I list
> here in the order first being my favorite, last being my least
> favorite:
>
> 1.)
> Make portage's unpack function lzip compatible
Three packages still don't sound lik
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:26:18 +0200
Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
> On 20/02/14 10:47, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> > On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 10:40 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >> On 20/02/14 09:44, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 07:55 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 20/
2014-02-20 8:19 GMT-07:00 Mike Gilbert :
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Lars Wendler wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> it seems like some GNU projects start to release their source tarballs
>> in lzip compressed versions only [1][2].
>> This is a problem since portage's unpack function doesn't know anything
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:28:30 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>Last time I checked, lzip compressed slightly worse and was slower
>than xz-utils, so there really is no reason why one would want to use
>it. Maybe more important, even if lzip was at par with xz-utils, the
>latter has won the competition
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:48:11 +0100
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> We don't want users having to solve a Zebra Puzzle [1] (or, for the
> more theoretically inclined, a satisfiability problem [2]) to find
> an acceptable combination of their USE flags.
Actually, REQUIRED_USE was introduced precisely to re
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2014, Lars Wendler wrote:
> it seems like some GNU projects start to release their source
> tarballs in lzip compressed versions only [1][2]. This is a problem
> since portage's unpack function doesn't know anything about lzip.
> For sys-fs/ddrescue (where I am the Gentoo pack
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Lars Wendler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> it seems like some GNU projects start to release their source tarballs
> in lzip compressed versions only [1][2].
> This is a problem since portage's unpack function doesn't know anything
> about lzip.
>
> ...
>
> What do you think?
>
On 20 Feb 2014 12:30, "Samuli Suominen" wrote:
>
>
> On 20/02/14 12:07, Duncan wrote:
> > Samuli Suominen posted on Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:55:44 +0200 as excerpted:
> >
> >> On 20/02/14 00:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>> Following up to today's QA meeting: The gtk3 USE flag is used by 27
> >>> packag
Hi,
it seems like some GNU projects start to release their source tarballs
in lzip compressed versions only [1][2].
This is a problem since portage's unpack function doesn't know anything
about lzip.
For sys-fs/ddrescue (where I am the Gentoo package maintainer) I simply
added "app-arch/lzip" to D
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:21 AM, Andreas K. Huettel
wrote:
>> I find it sad the QA team has been taken over by some of the new and
>> semi-new
>> developers who don't completely understand the implications of this
>> decision yet
>> since they haven't lived through the older transitions.
>
> As fa
>
> I find it sad the QA team has been taken over by some of the new and
> semi-new
> developers who don't completely understand the implications of this
> decision yet
> since they haven't lived through the older transitions.
As far as I can remember, the "experienced" and "older" developers we
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2014, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
> I see. So you want USE="gtk gtk3" to mean the same thing that gnome
> team had intended USE="gtk" to mean, which is to say, "pick
> whichever gtk version that is the most sensible".
Exactly.
> That could work. There are already a few ebuil
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:28:36 +0200 Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
>On 20/02/14 11:23, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
>> On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 03:59 -0500, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
>>> And this is an example of why everyone on the gnome team doesn't
>>> like the "gtk3" flag. Because well-meaning developers
On 20/02/14 12:07, Duncan wrote:
> Samuli Suominen posted on Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:55:44 +0200 as excerpted:
>
>> On 20/02/14 00:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>>> Following up to today's QA meeting: The gtk3 USE flag is used by 27
>>> packages, so I suggest making it a global flag:
>>>
>>> gtk3 - Add su
On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 10:26 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Feb 2014, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, at the same time, lots of other developers are going
> > to start adding support for building against gtk2 XOR gtk3. Because
> > of course "Gentoo is about choice"
Samuli Suominen posted on Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:55:44 +0200 as excerpted:
> On 20/02/14 00:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>> Following up to today's QA meeting: The gtk3 USE flag is used by 27
>> packages, so I suggest making it a global flag:
>>
>> gtk3 - Add support for x11-libs/gtk+ (The GIMP Toolkit)
On 20 Feb 2014 10:12, "Michał Górny" wrote:
>
> Dnia 2014-02-20, o godz. 01:44:17
> Steev Klimaszewski napisał(a):
>
> > On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 07:55 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> > > On 20/02/14 00:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > > Following up to today's QA meeting: The gtk3 USE flag is used b
On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 03:23 -0600, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> The KDE team seems to be able to deal with it just fine, but somehow
> it's impossible and hard for the GNOME team. Why is that? What does
> KDE do differently that makes it feasible?
The KDE ecosystem moved from qt3 to qt4 around 20
On 20/02/14 11:23, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 03:59 -0500, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
>> And this is an example of why everyone on the gnome team doesn't like
>> the "gtk3" flag. Because well-meaning developers will be looking at
>> their one corner of the portage tree, dec
On 20/02/14 10:47, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 10:40 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>> On 20/02/14 09:44, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 07:55 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 20/02/14 00:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> Following up to today's QA meet
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2014, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
> Unfortunately, at the same time, lots of other developers are going
> to start adding support for building against gtk2 XOR gtk3. Because
> of course "Gentoo is about choice", and the more choices, the
> merrier, and the gtk3 flag has been d
On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 03:59 -0500, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
> And this is an example of why everyone on the gnome team doesn't like
> the "gtk3" flag. Because well-meaning developers will be looking at
> their one corner of the portage tree, deciding that they are going to
> handle the choice of
On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 02:47 -0600, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> OR, since I'm the maintainer, I decide that I'm willing to deal with
> both, instead of you telling me that I need to pick one or the other.
> Upstream says both are supported and viable, and I'm willing to deal
> with the headaches. J
On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 09:11 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 2014-02-20, o godz. 01:44:17
> Steev Klimaszewski napisał(a):
>
> > On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 07:55 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> > > On 20/02/14 00:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > > Following up to today's QA meeting: The gtk3 USE flag
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2014, Michał Górny wrote:
> Except that now users have to use USE='gtk gtk3' to get GUIs in
> random applications that support only one toolkit. And then handle
> REQUIRED_USE mess for packages that support choosing one of the two.
Why REQUIRED_USE? A package can prefer one o
On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 10:40 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 20/02/14 09:44, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> > On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 07:55 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >> On 20/02/14 00:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>> Following up to today's QA meeting: The gtk3 USE flag is used by
> >>> 27 packag
On 20/02/14 09:44, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 07:55 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>> On 20/02/14 00:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>>> Following up to today's QA meeting: The gtk3 USE flag is used by
>>> 27 packages, so I suggest making it a global flag:
>>>
>>> gtk3 - Add suppor
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 23:23:23 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>Following up to today's QA meeting: The gtk3 USE flag is used by
>27 packages, so I suggest making it a global flag:
>
>gtk3 - Add support for x11-libs/gtk+ (The GIMP Toolkit) version 3
>
>Ulrich
+1
gtk+:3 still is a mess even in its ten
Dnia 2014-02-20, o godz. 01:44:17
Steev Klimaszewski napisał(a):
> On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 07:55 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> > On 20/02/14 00:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > Following up to today's QA meeting: The gtk3 USE flag is used by
> > > 27 packages, so I suggest making it a global flag:
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