On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Kent Fredric wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> Against, the symlink may introduce parts that are breakable, like if user
> messes up and places the destination of the symlink on a different partition
> ( shouldn't be a problem, but might be ), or if you're doing an initird that
On Thu, 2 May 2013 03:38:24 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> After some early issues with "too much magic" re preserved-libs
Why is it magic? It is well explained what it does (eg. man make.conf).
> I originally would rather let the upgrades happen as
> they always did and simp
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 00:57 -0400, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> On 05/01/2013 03:00 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> > On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> >> I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
> >> bad with circular deps (I'm looking at y
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On 05/01/2013 09:18 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2013 10:14:02 +0200
> Ralph Sennhauser wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:40 -0600
>> Ryan Hill wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also going to rename the "test" flag to "regression-test" or
>>> something
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On 05/01/2013 03:00 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
>> I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
>> bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you ruby herd) and random
>>
On 2 May 2013 16:21, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 May 2013 21:24:07 Kent Fredric wrote:
>
> please do not top post
> -mike
>
My apologies, Gmail has forced upon us this new message composer, and it
sucks, it actively discourages bottom posting, and I'm stuck with it.
I even complain
On 2 May 2013 15:18, William Hubbs wrote:
> Like I've already said too, I don't see that we need to do this change.
>
> Systemd is called /usr/lib/systemd/systemd (it should be
> /lib/systemd/systemd), and sysvinit is called /sbin/init,, so I don't
> see the need for moving init around and creati
On Wednesday 01 May 2013 21:24:07 Kent Fredric wrote:
please do not top post
-mike
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On Tuesday 30 April 2013 12:38:03 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:25:08 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2013, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > Below is a patch that brings the spec in line with common sense.
> >
> > And in fact, I wonder why we're even discussing th
Zac Medico posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 08:01:45 -0700 as excerpted:
> On 05/01/2013 07:46 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
>> I think it is time to consider enabling [preserve-libs] by default.
>> Hopefully any ABI bumps will be accompanied by a
>> subslot / slot-operator migration at this point.
>
> Yeah
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 11:14:28PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
> wrote:
> > On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> >
> > As far as I read the bug, Mike (vapier) is doing the right thing.
> > Distros doing lots of custom changes can only
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 03:13:54PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 13:00 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
> [...]
> > >> The only remaining problem is about eselect-sysvinit, for this reason,
> > >> I am probably going to create a new separate pkg called
> > >> _sysvinit-next_,
On 01/05/13 10:11 PM, Duncan wrote as excerpted:
> Steven J. Long posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 19:52:03 +0100 as excerpted:
>
>>> Gentoo is about choice, which to me also means "embrace diversitiy".
>>> If you want to keep living in your little world, fine, you can and
>>> you're very welcome, but a
Steven J. Long posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 19:52:03 +0100 as excerpted:
>> Gentoo is about choice, which to me also means "embrace diversitiy".
>> If you want to keep living in your little world, fine, you can and
>> you're very welcome, but also people who want to have fun with new
>> stuff should
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Wed, 01 May 2013 08:00:29 +0100
> Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
>
>> On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
>> > I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
>> > bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you
On Wed, 1 May 2013 08:57:35 +0200
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Apr 2013, Ryan Hill wrote:
> > Then the person implementing the code for Paludis is either a monkey
> > or a robot*. Anyone capable of reasoning could puzzle out the
> > implications of not allowing user-given options to o
2 other classes of tests you may want to consider :
- network/internet accessibility required tests
- markers for tests that are known/expected to fail under many conditions
and are not worth end-user-testing, but end-users can force-running any way
if they really want to see the individual failur
On Wed, 1 May 2013 10:14:02 +0200
Ralph Sennhauser wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:40 -0600
> Ryan Hill wrote:
>
> > I'm also going to rename the "test" flag to "regression-test" or
> > something similar to get it out of FEATURES="test" control. The
> > testsuite is a huge time-suck and onl
On Wed, 01 May 2013 08:00:29 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> > I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
> > bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you ruby herd) and random
> > failures that I only enable tes
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Steven, I think you can behave a lot better on the internet. kthx.
Amazing. I came to the exact opposite conclusion.
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 09:22:56AM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
> On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 04:19 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > I think I just realized what this means. I run ICEWM, not GNOME.
> > GNUMERIC and ABIWORWD and GIMP are the 3 GNOME apps that I use a lot.
> > Do I have to emerge GNOM
Fabio, I think you're doing awesome work!
Steven, I think you can behave a lot better on the internet. kthx.
Steven J. Long wrote:
> > It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making systemd
> > more accessible,
>
> Sure there is: there's also consensus that this approach is wrong
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
wrote:
> On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
>
> As far as I read the bug, Mike (vapier) is doing the right thing.
> Distros doing lots of custom changes can only add more chaos to the picture.
We are a distribution, we have our own goals,
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gx86/dev-python/setuptools/setuptools-0.6.33.ebuild | 4 ++--
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/gx86/dev-python/setuptools/setuptools-0.6.33.ebuild
b/gx86/dev-python/setuptools/setuptools-0.6.33.ebuild
index 4f4f3aa..91a8d57 100644
--- a/gx86/dev-python/setuptools/
---
gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass | 18 ++
1 file changed, 18 insertions(+)
diff --git a/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass b/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass
index 47b5b97..4c2e819 100644
--- a/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass
+++ b/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass
@@ -206,6 +206,20
Hi, everyone.
This one goes to gentoo-dev since it's a potentially wider idea
and I'd like to get other developers opinion on.
As you most likely already know, distutils-r1 allows ebuilds to define
sub-phase functions like:
python_compile() {
# commands which will be run for each impl
On Wed, 01 May 2013 12:52:09 -0700
""Paweł Hajdan, Jr."" wrote:
> On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> > It is sad to say that the "territoriality" in base-system (and
> > toolchain) is not allowing any kind of progress [3] [4]. This is
> > nothing new, by the way.
> >
> > [4] "useless cr
On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> It is sad to say that the "territoriality" in base-system (and
> toolchain) is not allowing any kind of progress [3] [4]. This is
> nothing new, by the way.
>
> [4] "useless crap": https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399615
As far as I read the bug,
On 4/30/13 8:25 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> I'm also going to rename the "test" flag to "regression-test" or something
> similar to get it out of FEATURES="test" control. The testsuite is a huge
> time-suck and only useful to developers IMO (always expected to fail and
> primarily meant to be used to c
# Ulrich Müller (01 May 2013)
# HOMEPAGE and SRC_URI dead, tarball not redistributable.
# Last upstream release in 2004.
# Masked for removal in 30 days, bug #464938.
www-apache/mod_loopback
# Ulrich Müller (01 May 2013)
# HOMEPAGE and SRC_URI dead, tarball not redistributable.
# Last upstream r
On 1 May 2013 02:52, Ryan Hill wrote:
> Then the person implementing the code for Paludis is either a monkey or a
> robot*.
>
> *or both (?!)
>
Alternative possibilities include ninja, zombie and wizard.
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 03:14:07PM +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Steven J. Long
> wrote:
> > On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> >> PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
> >> THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
> >>
> >>
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Zac Medico wrote:
> On 05/01/2013 07:46 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Zac Medico wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible
>>> wrote:
The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary with
>
On 05/01/2013 07:46 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Zac Medico wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible wrote:
>>> The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary with
>>> portage 2.2, but maybe we have to wait for 2.1.11.500 befor
On 05/01/2013 02:07 AM, Jörg Schaible wrote:
> Hi Zac,
>
> Zac Medico wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible
>> wrote:
>>> The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary
>>> with portage 2.2, but maybe we have to wait for 2.1.11.500 before 2.2
>>> gets
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> - genkernel needs to migrate to *udev (or as I did, provide a --udev
> genkernel option), mdev is unable to properly activate LVM volumes and
> LVM is actually working by miracle with openrc. Alternatively, we
> should migrate to dracut.
I'
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Zac Medico wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible wrote:
>> The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary with
>> portage 2.2, but maybe we have to wait for 2.1.11.500 before 2.2 gets
>> stable...
>
> Since portage-2.1.11.
There is no tracker yet. But it may be very well materialize at some point.
--
Fabio Erculiani
On 05/01/13 05:04, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
> THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
>
> With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
> into the systemd-love overlay [2], systemd has become much more
> accessible and easy to m
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Steven J. Long
wrote:
> On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
>> PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
>> THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
>>
>> With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
>> into t
On Wed, 01 May 2013 12:50:42 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 12:04 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
> [...]
> > - other ~490 systemd units are missing at this time and writing them
> > could also be a great GSoC project (don't look at me, I'm busy
> > enough).
> [...]
>
> Can
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
> THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
>
> With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
> into the systemd-love overlay [2], systemd has become much more
> a
On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 04:19 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> I think I just realized what this means. I run ICEWM, not GNOME.
> GNUMERIC and ABIWORWD and GIMP are the 3 GNOME apps that I use a lot.
> Do I have to emerge GNOME-BASE in it's entirety just to get GSettings
> working?
Then I misunderstoo
El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 13:00 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
[...]
> >> The only remaining problem is about eselect-sysvinit, for this reason,
> >> I am probably going to create a new separate pkg called
> >> _sysvinit-next_, that contains all the fun stuff many developers were
> >> not allowed
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 12:04 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
> [...]
>> - other ~490 systemd units are missing at this time and writing them
>> could also be a great GSoC project (don't look at me, I'm busy
>> enough).
> [...]
>
> Can't them
El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 12:04 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
[...]
> - other ~490 systemd units are missing at this time and writing them
> could also be a great GSoC project (don't look at me, I'm busy
> enough).
[...]
Can't them be stolen from other distros running systemd?
[...]
> The only
Peter Stuge wrote:
> Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > icu. The ebuild happily removes any trace of the old shared libs
> > with the result that half of the stuff that is *required* to build
> > kdelibs is now broken. The build aborts and leaves behind a broken
> > system. And this happened now not for the
PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
into the systemd-love overlay [2], systemd has become much more
accessible and easy to migrate to/from openrc. Both are able to
happily coexis
On Wed, 1 May 2013 11:20:37 +0200
Peter Stuge wrote:
> Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > > Well, here we go again! Again an update of Gentoo stable where
> > > emerge tries to upgrade icu and KDE in one run (and this time
> > > additionally libreoffice).
> >
> > If you don't want that to happen, use packag
Jörg Schaible wrote:
> icu. The ebuild happily removes any trace of the old shared libs
> with the result that half of the stuff that is *required* to build
> kdelibs is now broken. The build aborts and leaves behind a broken
> system. And this happened now not for the first time!
Tom Wijsman wrot
Hi Zac,
Zac Medico wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible
> wrote:
>> The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary
>> with portage 2.2, but maybe we have to wait for 2.1.11.500 before 2.2
>> gets stable...
>
> Since portage-2.1.11.20 [1], you can do th
On Wed, 01 May 2013 01:29:05 -0400
"Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" wrote:
> Sadly it is so
> bad that we have a FEATURES=test-fail-continue I can't really say
> anything negative, that fact really says it all...
My beef is not with the existence of this FEATURE but that it's enabled
in the dev
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:10:33AM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
> On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 23:26 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:17:35PM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
> >
> > > It impacts users who use stable keywords and are therefore stuck with
> > > GNOME-2.32. Th
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:40 -0600
Ryan Hill wrote:
> I'm also going to rename the "test" flag to "regression-test" or
> something similar to get it out of FEATURES="test" control. The
> testsuite is a huge time-suck and only useful to developers IMO
> (always expected to fail and primarily mean
On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
> bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you ruby herd) and random
> failures that I only enable tests for my own packages. Sadly it is so
> bad that we have a FEATURES=t
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