Re: [gentoo-dev] preserve_old_lib and I'm even more lazy

2012-02-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > If you have proper backups, you should be able to destroy the pool, > make a new one and restore the backup. If you do not have backups, > then I think there are more important things to consider than your > ability to do this without them. I

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: virtual/modutils and module-init-tools

2012-02-25 Thread Duncan
Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:04:22 -0500 as excerpted: > On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 08:28:23AM +, Duncan wrote > >> That leaves those using a dev-manager other than udev in a current >> installation who are depending on the current system set listing to >> bring in module-init-tools

Re: [gentoo-dev] preserve_old_lib and I'm even more lazy

2012-02-25 Thread Richard Yao
> That isn't my understanding as far as raidz reshaping goes.  You can > create raidz's and add them to a zpool.  You can add individual > drives/partitions to zpools.  You can remove any of these from a zpool > at any time and have it move data into other storage areas.  However, > you can't resha

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: virtual/modutils and module-init-tools

2012-02-25 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:25:55 -0600 as excerpted: > On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 08:44:39AM +, Duncan wrote: >> You are however correct that it'll be on most systems, at least with >> udev-181, since udev won't build without kmod, now. (I found that out >> when the build broke

Re: [gentoo-dev] preserve_old_lib and I'm even more lazy

2012-02-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > raidz has 3 varieties, which are single parity, double parity and > triple parity. As for reshaping, ZFS is a logical volume manager. You > can set and resize limits on ZFS datasets as you please. That isn't my understanding as far as raidz re

Re: [gentoo-dev] preserve_old_lib and I'm even more lazy

2012-02-25 Thread Richard Yao
> Why would btrfs be inferior to ZFS on multiple disks?  I can't see how > its architecture would do any worse, and the planned features are > superior to ZFS (which isn't to say that ZFS can't improve either). ZFS uses ARC as its page replacement algorithm, which is superior to the LRU page repla

Re: [gentoo-dev] preserve_old_lib and I'm even more lazy

2012-02-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > ZFSOnLinux performance tuning is not a priority either, but there have > been a few patches and the performance is good. btrfs might one day > outperform ZFS in terms of single disk performance, assuming that it > does not already, but I questi

Re: [gentoo-dev] preserve_old_lib and I'm even more lazy

2012-02-25 Thread Richard Yao
> Oh, if you need a safe COW filesystem today I'd definitely recommend > ZFS over btrfs for sure, although I suspect the people who are most > likely to take this sort of advice are also the sort of people who are > most likely to not be running Gentoo.  There are a bazillion problems > with btrfs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: virtual/modutils and module-init-tools

2012-02-25 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 08:28:23AM +, Duncan wrote > That leaves those using a dev-manager other than udev in a current > installation who are depending on the current system set listing to bring > in module-init-tools. I believe busybox has it's own modutils as well, > doesn't it, so that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: virtual/modutils and module-init-tools

2012-02-25 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 08:44:39AM +, Duncan wrote: > You are however correct that it'll be on most systems, at least with > udev-181, since udev won't build without kmod, now. (I found that out > when the build broke on me due to missing kmod, as I've had udev unmasked > for awhile and got

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: virtual/modutils and module-init-tools

2012-02-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > As such, I disagree with floppym that the handbook's kernel module > section needs updating for this, too.  The handbook doesn't even deal > with non-default dev-managers, nor does it mention module-init-tools, it > just assume

Re: [gentoo-dev] preserve_old_lib and I'm even more lazy

2012-02-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Doug Goldstein wrote: > FWIW, I'll second the ZFS > btrfs suggestion. Oh, if you need a safe COW filesystem today I'd definitely recommend ZFS over btrfs for sure, although I suspect the people who are most likely to take this sort of advice are also the sort of

Re: [gentoo-dev] github <> g.o.g.o

2012-02-25 Thread Alex Alexander
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 01:55:37PM +0100, Justin wrote: > Hi all, > > is there a way to do a way or two way sync between a repo on github and > on g.o.g.o? > > I have the felling that I heard of an official overlay which is operated > like this. Could someone please point me to this overlay and t

Re: [gentoo-dev] preserve_old_lib and I'm even more lazy

2012-02-25 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Richard Yao wrote: >> Am I the only paranoid person who moves them rather than unlinking >> them?  Oh, if only btrfs were stable... > > Is this a reference to snapshots? You can use ZFS for those. The > kernel modules are only available in the form of ebuilds

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Adding CCASFLAGS to filter-flags() in flag-o-matic.eclass

2012-02-25 Thread Anthony G. Basile
Okay, looks like there are no objections. I'll commit this tomorrow. On 02/21/2012 12:42 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: Hi everyone, An issue came up with valgrind on the new multilib-portage which adds CFLAGS_$target_abi to $CFLAGS [1]. Valgrind fails to compile when -m64 is added because it

[gentoo-dev] github <> g.o.g.o

2012-02-25 Thread Justin
Hi all, is there a way to do a way or two way sync between a repo on github and on g.o.g.o? I have the felling that I heard of an official overlay which is operated like this. Could someone please point me to this overlay and the technique? thanks justin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP di

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: virtual/modutils and module-init-tools

2012-02-25 Thread Duncan
Robin H. Johnson posted on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 07:21:40 + as excerpted: > I think we should examine dropping virtual/modutils from system. > It'll be on most systems anyway however. It's needed to build any > kernel, so the only place where it won't be would be a system with a > monolithic kernel

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: virtual/modutils and module-init-tools

2012-02-25 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:01:07 -0600 as excerpted: > Also, this brings up another question. I replaced module-init-tools in > the system set with virtual/modutils. But, since it is possible to have > a linux system with a monolithic kernel, should this even be in the > system s

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: virtual/modutils and module-init-tools

2012-02-25 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:01:07AM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: > The dependencies on module-init-tools in the tree should be changed to > virtual/modutils. I am willing to do this myself if no one objects. If I > do, should I open individual bugs for the packages? As kernel-misc, I've fixed them al

[gentoo-dev] Re: preserve_old_lib and I'm even more lazy

2012-02-25 Thread Duncan
Zac Medico posted on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:35:24 -0800 as excerpted: > I've been using btrfs for temp storage, for more than a year > The only problems I've experienced are: > > 1) Intermittent ENOSPC when unpacking lots of files. Maybe this is > related to having compression enabled. I haven't e

[gentoo-dev] Re: preserve_old_lib and I'm even more lazy

2012-02-25 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 22:53:50 -0500 as excerpted: > From what I've seen as long as you keep things simple, and don't have > heavy loads, you're at least reasonably likely to get by unscathed. I'd > definitely keep good backups though. Just read the mailing lists, > or for kicks

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: virtual/modutils and module-init-tools

2012-02-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 1:01 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > If not, once the dependencies are correct, I propose > dropping virtual/modutils from the system set. If we drop it from the system set, the kernel modules section of the handbook should be updated.

[gentoo-dev] Re: btrfs status and/was: preserve_old_lib

2012-02-25 Thread Duncan
Richard Yao posted on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:06:21 -0500 as excerpted: > Have you tried ZFS? The kernel modules are in the portage tree and I am > maintaining a FAQ regarding the status of Gentoo ZFS support at github: > > https://github.com/gentoofan/zfs-overlay/wiki/FAQ > > Data stored on ZFS is