[gentoo-dev] /usr vs. initramfs redux

2011-08-04 Thread Robin H. Johnson
I've mainly said out of this discussion until now, because I've been quite busy. The root problem here is that there are starting to be a lot of cases where rule run by udev require that /usr [1] and potentially /var [2] or more are available when the udev rule runs. To the best of my knowledge,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: I'm looking for a mentor

2011-08-04 Thread Krzysztof Pawlik
On 04/08/11 21:14, Kfir Lavi wrote: [ snip ] > Hi Markos, > I'm contacting you to let you know that I'm still interested in your > mentoring. > I find it very hard to concentrate on the quizzes you sent me, as I'm deeply > at work. > I'm returning home everyday at ~22:00. > I also have a family and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: I'm looking for a mentor

2011-08-04 Thread Kfir Lavi
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Kfir Lavi wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Kfir Lavi wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:24:54PM +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote: >>> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Kfir Lavi >>> w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: I'm looking for a mentor

2011-08-04 Thread Kfir Lavi
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Kfir Lavi wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:24:54PM +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote: >> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Kfir Lavi >> wrote: >> > >> > > Hi all, >> > > My name is Kfir Lavi, I'm 36 year

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-04 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Greg KH wrote: > Also, again, this is an upstream issue, based on the packages you have > installed, not anything that has changed in the distro itself.  Upstream > is also working to resolve the issue already, by mounting /usr from the > initramfs, to keep this sa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-04 Thread Greg KH
On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 09:31:07AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 06:49:36AM -0500, Dale wrote: > > Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > > > > > > Again, not all of us are willing to migrate away from a separate /usr > > > partition, least of all when that is being "imposed" b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-04 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, David Abbott wrote: > The LSB workgroup is preparing FHS 3.0, which will be the first FHS > release since 2004. As part of that release, we are soliciting > contributions from all interested parties. More interesting was this thread on their mailing list: https://

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-04 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 09:31:07AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > Add another to the list of folks who disagree with this and with the > approach being taken. > > I don't blame gentoo devs per se, but I do feel like this is being > forced down everyone's throats without any regard to the *nix philo

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-emulation/frodo

2011-08-04 Thread Markos Chandras
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2011-08-04 Thread Markos Chandras
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-04 Thread David Abbott
Looks like the Linux Foundation has a; Call for Participation The LSB workgroup is preparing FHS 3.0, which will be the first FHS release since 2004. As part of that release, we are soliciting contributions from all interested parties. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb/f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-04 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 06:49:36AM -0500, Dale wrote: > Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > > > > Again, not all of us are willing to migrate away from a separate /usr > > partition, least of all when that is being "imposed" by some people > > trying to "shove" their pet projects to others and when

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-04 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Dale wrote: > From a users perspective.  Could it not be possible to have some USE flag, > or other setting, that would tell portage that a separate /usr partition is > being used then have the needed files placed elsewhere on / ?  I'm not a dev > and I don't play o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-04 Thread Dale
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Again, not all of us are willing to migrate away from a separate /usr partition, least of all when that is being "imposed" by some people trying to "shove" their pet projects to others and when we don't agree with or acknowledge the arguments. +1 From a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-04 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04-08-2011 07:55, Samuli Suominen wrote: > On 08/04/2011 05:30 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >> On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:27:27 +0300 >> So, let's sum up a little. >> >> The most common argument against separate /usr requiring a proper >> initramfs is '

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-04 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 08/04/2011 05:30 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:27:27 +0300 > Samuli Suominen wrote: > >> Since running separate /usr without mounting it from initramfs on top >> of / before init is and has been broken with udev for a long time >> now[1][2][3] >> >> [1] http://bugs.gentoo.or