Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:24:25 + Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > http://git.pioto.org/gitweb/paludis.git?a=commitdiff;h=86dc61e Thanks. I hope it helps. jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:39:28 +0100 Stelian Ionescu wrote: > could the output of paludis --info be made a little less verbose by > eliminating repository information - perhaps except then one > containing the package's ebuild That's useful information, so no. > and info about ebuild phases being

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Stelian Ionescu
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 23:24 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:03:24 +0100 > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:55:06 + > > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > ...which is why you ask for 'paludis --info pkg', not 'paludis > > > --info'. > > > > Spread the word! >

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:03:24 +0100 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:55:06 + > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > ...which is why you ask for 'paludis --info pkg', not 'paludis > > --info'. > > Spread the word! http://git.pioto.org/gitweb/paludis.git?a=commitdiff;h=86dc61e -- Ciaran

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:55:06 + Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Heck, Paludis even tells you this if you run --info without a spec: > > > No packages were specified on the command line, so detailed > > information is not available (Paludis can display detailed > > information for both installed and

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:55:06 + Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > ...which is why you ask for 'paludis --info pkg', not 'paludis > --info'. Spread the word! jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:22:12 +0100 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > Paludis users often seem to think that `paludis --info' and `emerge > --info' are interchangeable, whereas a quick inspection reveals to > even the most casual user that the former only intends to inform about > paludis' own compile time a

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:35:00 +0100 Dawid Węgliński wrote: > On Wednesday 18 of February 2009 23:22:12 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > In short, `paludis --info' is not a replacement, and when `emerge > > --info' is asked for in a bug report, post *that*. > > Hi Jeroen. > If you ask me to post a emerge

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Dawid Węgliński
On Wednesday 18 of February 2009 23:22:12 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > In short, `paludis --info' is not a replacement, and when `emerge > --info' is asked for in a bug report, post *that*. Hi Jeroen. If you ask me to post a emerge --info you will get very, but very outdated info. Not much useful. Kee

[gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
Hi folks, both in #gentoo and more importantly in bug reports, people are often asked to provide their `emerge --info', which gives a quick and very useful overview of the most important bits found on the system that wants support or (allegedly) exhibits a bug. Based on that information it i

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 19:08 Wed 18 Feb , Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:01:44 -0500 > Michael Sterrett wrote: > > It's already fixed. > > And have you learned not to try such blatantly irresponsible and > childish behaviour on a tree used by other people? This email would better be sent in pri

Re: [gentoo-dev] About prepalldocs

2009-02-18 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Petteri Räty wrote: > The check was committed to repoman right after the meeting. But as there > hasn't been a release since it's not globally available. zmedico: Is > there a new release coming or should a new revision be made? I expect to do a relea

Re: [gentoo-dev] About prepalldocs

2009-02-18 Thread Petteri Räty
Mike Auty wrote: > Petteri Räty wrote: >> So until we have a decision on what the replacement will be I >> don't see a need to remove current prepalldocs usage but any new usage >> must be avoided. > > If it's simply discouraged, perhaps a repoman check, and some people to > come forward with a be

Re: [gentoo-dev] About prepalldocs

2009-02-18 Thread Mike Auty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Petteri Räty wrote: > So until we have a decision on what the replacement will be I > don't see a need to remove current prepalldocs usage but any new usage > must be avoided. If it's simply discouraged, perhaps a repoman check, and some people to com

[gentoo-dev] About prepalldocs

2009-02-18 Thread Petteri Räty
There seems to be lot of confusion and discussion on the prepalldocs issue so let me try to clear the air and present my own view on the matter. This is effectively what was voted on in the council meeting: 20:35 < dev-zero> prepalldocs should be kept internal and usage should be avoided 20:36 < d

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Because if you look at the statistics, it's pretty obvious that it's > a stupid idea. If you've got USE=doc, somewhere around 4% of managed > files are in /usr/share/doc, and once you take inode sizes into > account, you can knock that down to ab

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:36:11 + Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:28:46 +0100 > Alexis Ballier wrote: > > > If you don't explicitly need compression, don't do anything. > > > > ... and mark relevant stuff as "ok to be compressed with whatever > > suits you best"... sounds famil

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:01:44 -0500 Michael Sterrett wrote: > It's already fixed. And have you learned not to try such blatantly irresponsible and childish behaviour on a tree used by other people? -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Am Mittwoch, den 18.02.2009, 12:26 +0200 schrieb Petteri Räty: > Michael Sterrett wrote: > > I added a prepalldocs function to eutils.eclass to provide the > > functionality. It implements the > > behavior of the current stable sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.4. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Michael Sterrett

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:01:04 +0100 Alexis Ballier wrote: > > If you really, genuinely think you have a case for compression of > > docs, backed up with statistics showing that it's a relevant change, > > I fail to see why you need statistics for something that is clearly a > waste of space, but t

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Michael Sterrett
It's already fixed.

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Alexis Ballier
> If you really, genuinely think you have a case for compression of > docs, backed up with statistics showing that it's a relevant change, I fail to see why you need statistics for something that is clearly a waste of space, but this could be a start: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_9018

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 03:07 Wed 18 Feb , Michael Sterrett wrote: > I added a prepalldocs function to eutils.eclass to provide the > functionality. It implements the behavior of the current stable > sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.4. FYI, this addition broke a number of X packages. Hopefully it didn't break much else

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:28:46 +0100 Alexis Ballier wrote: > > If you don't explicitly need compression, don't do anything. > > ... and mark relevant stuff as "ok to be compressed with whatever > suits you best"... sounds familiar? :) No. That's entirely the wrong approach, because it relies upon

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:06:46 + Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:39:58 +0100 > Alexis Ballier wrote: > > Then, for the nth time, what would be the good solution? > > If you explicitly need compression, do it by hand, since there aren't > any mechanisms for guaranteed compressi

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:46:30 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > Yup. It's a misfeature. You can see this by considering the > > proportion of ebuilds that honour it... > > All ebuilds that install things with "dodoc" at least. That must be > quite a few. But it's not universal, nor consistent. That

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> You mean if the user has requested compression with >> PORTAGE_COMPRESS, ignore it? > Yup. It's a misfeature. You can see this by considering the > proportion of ebuilds that honour it... All ebuilds that install things with "dodoc" at least.

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:18:03 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > If you don't explicitly need compression, don't do anything. > > You mean if the user has requested compression with PORTAGE_COMPRESS, > ignore it? Yup. It's a misfeature. You can see this by considering the proportion of ebuilds that

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > If you don't explicitly need compression, don't do anything. You mean if the user has requested compression with PORTAGE_COMPRESS, ignore it? What about FEATURES="nodoc", ignore it too? > And if you're trying to make a space-critical distributi

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:39:58 +0100 Alexis Ballier wrote: > Then, for the nth time, what would be the good solution? If you explicitly need compression, do it by hand, since there aren't any mechanisms for guaranteed compression anyway. If you don't explicitly need compression, don't do anything.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2009-02-18 Thread Thomas Anderson
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Santiago M. Mola wrote: > Hello, > app-vim/exheres-syntax I can take this one, I use it every day. -- - Thomas Anderson Gentoo Developer / Areas of responsibility: AMD64, Secretary to the Gentoo Council -

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Petteri Räty
Thilo Bangert wrote: > Thomas Anderson said: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> This is a note that in the council meeting on 02/12/2009 the >> function 'prepalldocs' is banned for use in ebuilds with EAPIs 0 1 >> and 2. If you want some functionality from this function, please >> propose a new

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Petteri Räty
Michael Sterrett wrote: > I added a prepalldocs function to eutils.eclass to provide the > functionality. It implements the > behavior of the current stable sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.4. > > Have fun, > > Michael Sterrett > -Mr. Bones.- > mr_bon...@gentoo.org > I don't think developers should add

[gentoo-dev] Re: prepalldocs implementation in eutils.eclass

2009-02-18 Thread Torsten Veller
* Michael Sterrett : > Patches welcome. --- eutils.eclass +++ eutils.eclass @@ -1823,21 +1823,3 @@ newbin "${tmpwrapper}" "${wrapper}" || die fi } - -# @FUNCTION: prepalldocs -# @USAGE: -# @DESCRIPTION: -# Compress files in /usr/share/doc which are not already -# compresse

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Alexis Ballier wrote: > Then, for the nth time, what would be the good solution? How would > one convert prepalldocs usage to something allowed? I've failed to > find anything about it in the relevant bug and the only answer I've > seen is "remove it". You can count on m

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs implementation in eutils.eclass (was: prepalldocs is now banned)

2009-02-18 Thread Michael Sterrett
Patches welcome. On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Torsten Veller wrote: > * Michael Sterrett : >> I added a prepalldocs function to eutils.eclass to provide the >> functionality. It implements the >> behavior of the current stable sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.4. > > ecompressdir is more portage intern

[gentoo-dev] prepalldocs implementation in eutils.eclass (was: prepalldocs is now banned)

2009-02-18 Thread Torsten Veller
* Michael Sterrett : > I added a prepalldocs function to eutils.eclass to provide the > functionality. It implements the > behavior of the current stable sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.4. ecompressdir is more portage internal than prepalldocs ever was. This must be fixed.

Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned

2009-02-18 Thread Michael Sterrett
I added a prepalldocs function to eutils.eclass to provide the functionality. It implements the behavior of the current stable sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.4. Have fun, Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- mr_bon...@gentoo.org On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Thomas Anderson wrote: > Hi Everyone, > >T