Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-23 Thread Wernfried Haas
One of the problems with democracy is that people pretty much get what they want. If there was enough support for devrel to actually execute the current policies (like preventing developers from calling people names on this list), it would happen. However it seems to me that not many people would b

[gentoo-dev] Re: Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-23 Thread Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
Tach Luis, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Luis Medinas schrieb: > If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs > to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). Having discussed Gentoo Status in this list: Maybe you should announce that in GWN

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-23 Thread Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
On Thursday 24 August 2006 02:17, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > When I think about where Gentoo was when we turned into a democracy > years ago, and where Gentoo is now, I don't see much of a difference on > the large scale. We lack any global vision for where Gentoo is going, we > can't agree on who

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-23 Thread Richard Fish
On 8/23/06, Josh Saddler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, don't dump a product that's not even near alpha status on users. If we want to keep using software that's old, but works just fine, why force a really stupid switch? Saying xmms works "just fine" is a bit of stretch IMO. My most hated xmm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 23:32, Luis Medinas wrote: > If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs > to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). A few developers on > redhat, mandriva and suse marked xmms as obsolete. Now it's our turn to > move it to our darkness re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-23 Thread Luca Barbato
Luis Medinas wrote: > If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs > to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). A few developers on > redhat, mandriva and suse marked xmms as obsolete. Now it's our turn to > move it to our darkness repository. If you want to be sure i

Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

2006-08-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 23:23, lnxg33k wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > use this instead ... makes for cleaner output: > > pushd "${BUILDDIR}" > /dev/null > > Would `cd foo` and `cd -` work just as well in place of `pushd` and `popd`? > Recent tip I ran across and wondering if it holds up acr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-23 Thread Joshua Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Ostrow wrote: > > >> If I could go back in time a couple of years and prevent this democracy >> from ever happening, I would. If I could fix these problems myself, I >> would. But it requires buy-in from the entire Gentoo community if we're >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-23 Thread Luis Medinas
On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 20:11 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: > Please don't remove it, and don't replace it with xmms2. There are far too > many > media type plugins that work for xmms that audacious and similar players can't > handle. Also, will xmms plugins even work in xmms2? And isn't xmms2 still a

Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

2006-08-23 Thread lnxg33k
Mike Frysinger wrote: use this instead ... makes for cleaner output: pushd "${BUILDDIR}" > /dev/null Would `cd foo` and `cd -` work just as well in place of `pushd` and `popd`? Recent tip I ran across and wondering if it holds up across the board. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-23 Thread Josh Saddler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luis Medinas wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 20:07 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 16:30, Luis Medinas wrote: >>> So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for >>> anyone who volunteer or the sound

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-23 Thread Alec Warner
Luis Medinas wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 20:07 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 16:30, Luis Medinas wrote: >>> So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for >>> anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. >> no one has answered the previous probl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-23 Thread Luis Medinas
On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 20:07 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 16:30, Luis Medinas wrote: > > So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for > > anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. > > no one has answered the previous problems ... xmms is the o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-23 Thread Daniel Ostrow
> If I could go back in time a couple of years and prevent this democracy > from ever happening, I would. If I could fix these problems myself, I > would. But it requires buy-in from the entire Gentoo community if we're > to do anything about it. First of suffice it to say that many a time in

[gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
I just posted this to my blog [1], but I know you don't all read it so I wanted to post it here as well. Do read all the way through. I very rarely write anything this long, and when I do, it's something I feel very strongly about. I started my fourth year as a Gentoo developer in June, and Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 16:30, Luis Medinas wrote: > So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer for > anyone who volunteer or the sound herd. no one has answered the previous problems ... xmms is the only audioplayer that actually works on some platforms ... plus, h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-23 Thread Ioannis Aslanidis
xmms2 and audacious sound good ;) Luis Medinas wrote: Hi everyone. I'm the current maintainer for xmms and all plugins. As you all know xmms is writen over GTK+-1. This toolkit is not supported by the upstream like xmms. We have lot's of dead upstream plugins on portage and this is a pain to ma

[gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

2006-08-23 Thread Luis Medinas
Hi everyone. I'm the current maintainer for xmms and all plugins. As you all know xmms is writen over GTK+-1. This toolkit is not supported by the upstream like xmms. We have lot's of dead upstream plugins on portage and this is a pain to maintain like xmms itself. You might want to look at our pa

Re: [gentoo-dev] User support system

2006-08-23 Thread Philipp Riegger
On Aug 23, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On the plus side it would be much easier to find duplicate bugs since the titles would be uniform. I think this is an interesting point. I'd like to have something like a specialised bug system for ebuilds, where you have to enter the packa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-Status

2006-08-23 Thread Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 02:06, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Bringing up something I proposed previously... How about having teams > that are considered 'important' (not a fixed list; this can vary > depending upon what's going on) or 'to be having issues' deliver status > reports to the council for t

Re: [gentoo-dev] User support system

2006-08-23 Thread Alec Warner
Philipp Riegger wrote: > On Aug 16, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Mike Bonar wrote: > >> On the plus side it would be much easier to find duplicate bugs since >> the titles would be uniform. > > I think this is an interesting point. I'd like to have something like a > specialised bug system for ebuilds, wher

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo kernel and NFS groups limitation

2006-08-23 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 03:01:19PM +0200, Robert Szentmihalyi wrote: > does any of the Gentoo kernel sources in Portage contain the nfs-ngroups > patch (http://www.frankvm.com/nfs-ngroups/)? > I'm looking for an easily maintainable solution to bypass the NFS limitation > of 16 groups per user. A

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo kernel and NFS groups limitation

2006-08-23 Thread Robert Szentmihalyi
Hi, does any of the Gentoo kernel sources in Portage contain the nfs-ngroups patch (http://www.frankvm.com/nfs-ngroups/)? I'm looking for an easily maintainable solution to bypass the NFS limitation of 16 groups per user. Thanks, Robert -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [treecleaner] Last rites: media-sound/alsaplayer

2006-08-23 Thread Abhay Kedia
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 14:39, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > Use the aplay binary provided by alsa-utils. > > Paul Try playing KDE_Beep.ogg with it :-) -- Regards, Abhay pgpK6w5SPUriy.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: KDE and Ruby herd call for help

2006-08-23 Thread Caleb Tennis
> Have they already done the ebuild quiz? > > I would love to have some guys fixing kde bugs and asking me or someone > else > in the team to check and commit it. So, if they have their quiz I would > love to help mentoring them and otherwise I would love to see them in IRC No quizzes yet. When

Re: [gentoo-dev] User support system

2006-08-23 Thread Philipp Riegger
On Aug 16, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Mike Bonar wrote: On the plus side it would be much easier to find duplicate bugs since the titles would be uniform. I think this is an interesting point. I'd like to have something like a specialised bug system for ebuilds, where you have to enter the package

[gentoo-dev] Group limit for NFS exported file systems

2006-08-23 Thread Robert Szentmihalyi
Hi, is there a group limit for NFS exported file systems in recent kernels? One if my users cannot access directories that belong to a group he actually _is_ a member of. That, however, is true only when accessing them over NFS. On the local file system, everything is fine. UIDs and GIDs are the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [treecleaner] Last rites: media-sound/alsaplayer

2006-08-23 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 21 August 2006 14:59, Abhay Kedia wrote: > > I use alsaplayer to play KDE sounds as it works well with dmix and I > can keep aRts disabled. All KDE sounds are ogg files and when I play > them with mpg321, it just exits without producing any sound. I guess > the only thing left for me to u