[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Duncan
Georgi Georgiev posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:27:47 +0900: > maillog: 11/11/2005-05:48:50(-0700): Duncan types >> Perhaps $PORTDIR/news, with seen and unseen subdirs (and appropriate >> no-sync settings on the subdirs) > > Remember that $PORTDIR can be share

[gentoo-dev] Bug Wrangling Event?

2005-11-11 Thread Chris White
Hi all, Now that my job situation has settled down, I have some free time floating around, and a bit of finances to cover it. That said, I'd like to see if there would be interest in a bug wrangling event of some sort taking place in the SF area. If I get enough interest, I'll go ahe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Saturday 12 November 2005 07:19, Stuart Herbert wrote: > When we have emerge --news done, I keep seeing references to "emerge --news" but at the same time am seeing that news readers are external. What exactly is `emerge --news` meant to do? Print out "You've got news!"? Manage some external

[gentoo-dev] Unmasking dev-python/setuptools 0.6_alpha5?

2005-11-11 Thread Edward Muller
Anyone know how safe/unsafe dev-python/setuptools-0.6_alpha5 is? I am building an ebuild for Turbogears and a current version of setuptools is required. -- Edward Muller - Interlix [EMAIL PROTECTED] 417-862-0573 PGP Key: http://interlix.com/Members/edwardam/pgpkeys pgpGga3qTD25q.pgp Descriptio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 11/11/2005-05:48:50(-0700): Duncan types > Perhaps $PORTDIR/news, with seen and unseen subdirs (and appropriate > no-sync settings on the subdirs) Remember that $PORTDIR can be shared between machines. That's why "world" is kept in /var/lib/portage. -- \Georgi Georgiev \ Ignoranc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

2005-11-11 Thread Homer Parker
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 17:30 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: > The November Gentoo Council meeting will be held on #gentoo-council next > week, Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC, presided by Seemant Kulleen. > > The deadline for submitting items for the meeting agenda is set to > Sunday, November 13th

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:22 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > It seems to be your own quest to have the news *only* > delivered by portage. I thought I'd been very clear in the email that you've replied to that I support making the news available via other ways. It's the timing that I'm a bit wo

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Duncan
Grant Goodyear posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:09:58 -0600: > I was going to say that the only way new news items could appear is > during an emerge --sync, but of course that's not true for people who > either add an overlay or use CVS. I'd be comfortable wit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed changes to base profile for Gentoo/ALT

2005-11-11 Thread Martin Schlemmer
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 16:36 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 11:12:43AM -0500, solar wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 14:38 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 01:11:24PM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote: > > > > Obviously if this is going to be ap

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 22:37 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: > > Things that should definitely be changed: > > - Integration with existing systems: > > This definitely should be a requirement for the GLEP to be considered > > final. It doesn't prevent some thing being implemented sooner than > > others

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:37:15 + Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | For example, there's no real reason why GLSA's couldn't been delivered | via this at some point (although I'd prefer a "You have X amount of | security fixes to apply" type message adding to emerge, and treating | GLSAs

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:40 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: > I've already asked a similar question in another mail (in other > context) without an answer, but how many news items do people believe > will exist at any given time? We won't know for certain until people start using it. I expect that i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 10:03 +0100, Grobian wrote: > Ok, you want a reaction, because you are Feeling Blue[1], right. The only reaction I want is for us to meet the goals that I have set out, instead of trying to move those goals. > You describe here (and in your diary) the aim to reach 100% of ou

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Grant Goodyear
Marius Mauch wrote: [Fri Nov 11 2005, 11:40:53AM CST] > Things that I'd like to be changed/I'm not completely sure about: > - filtering of news items: > I've already asked a similar question in another mail (in other > context) without an answer, but how many news items do people believe > will e

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:40:53 +0100 Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I've already asked a similar question in another mail (in other | context) without an answer, but how many news items do people believe | will exist at any given time? Depending on the actual implementation | it might be

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 00:58:14 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Feedback from people who have something useful to say would be very > much welcomed, assuming of course that they've read the GLEP. Things that I think are generally ok as is: - news item format - news item distributio

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 10:38 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: > On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:19:15 +0100 > Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 10-11-2005 21:33:48 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: > > > We need to establish *one* authoritative source of news. We can't > > > do that if we simultaneously lau

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 04:52 +0100, Luca Barbato wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:07:37 -0800 Mike Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > | What about something like "/etc/portage/news.read", which contains a > > | single news file per line. Perhaps have support for something

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 21:33 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: > My personal conclusion was that there is only one place where we can > have any degree of certainty that we have the attention of 100% of the > userbase - or as near as damn it. I believe that place is right beneath > the message that tell

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 43: GLEP File Hosting

2005-11-11 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 07 November 2005 22:56, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Ok, this is a change to the GLEP process, so it itself needs to be a > GLEP... All it does is propose that GLEPs be allowed to stick example > code in a subdirectory rather than having to inline things or shove > them off on someone's devsp

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Friday 11 November 2005 00:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:12:28 + Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > | Should the GLEP explain how Portage will know how many unread news > | items there are in /var/lib/gentoo/news? I couldn't spot where this > | is covered

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Duncan
Benno Schulenberg posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:28:17 +0100: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> Next draft will propose being able to append .read to a filename >> to mark it read without deleting it. > > But don't use ".read", as it can be understood as both prese

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Tres Melton
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 10:03 +0100, Grobian wrote: > On 10-11-2005 20:55:37 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: > > I am just in the opinion that we lack a system where users can find the > information they need. That would help a certain type of users, > absolutely not all of them. So yes, after that,

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Benno Schulenberg
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Next draft will propose being able to append .read to a filename > to mark it read without deleting it. But don't use ".read", as it can be understood as both present tense (imperative) and past tense. Better use something like ".seen". Benno -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org m

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Grobian
On 11-11-2005 10:38:43 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: > No, the central repository certainly shouldn't be on the web (whatever > that means in the first place), it has to be somewhere in CVS > (easily accessible by all devs, though not necessarily in a direct way) > and should be replicated to as many

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:19:15 +0100 Grobian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10-11-2005 21:33:48 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: > > We need to establish *one* authoritative source of news. We can't > > do that if we simultaneously launch several sources of news all at > > once. We have to launch *one

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Grobian
On 10-11-2005 21:33:48 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: > We need to establish *one* authoritative source of news. We can't do > that if we simultaneously launch several sources of news all at once. > We have to launch *one* service first, give the userbase time to adjust > to that, and then start mak

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-11 Thread Grobian
On 10-11-2005 20:55:37 +, Stuart Herbert wrote: Ok, you want a reaction, because you are Feeling Blue[1], right. > On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 20:11 +0100, Grobian wrote: > > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > That's your first misconception right there. Most users don't sign up > > > for things. > > >