Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > There were just two. > > Correct it shows two answers randomly out the 3 it knows about. That way > it’s a little different every time. > So you're saying that I answer "No" from the two chosen, the ONLY correct answer, and it st

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:35 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Justin Mclean > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> > There were just two. >> >> Correct it shows two answers randomly out the 3 it knows about. That way >> it’s

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
Misleading. On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:37 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:35 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Justin Mclean >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> > There were j

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > So you're saying that I answer "No" from the two chosen, the ONLY correct > > answer, and it still dings me? > > Grep I don't know what two options it gave you from the 3 possible > answers, 2 of them are right 1 isn’t. No is not

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:45 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > And as you suggested, the possibility of erroneous Q&A. I just got: > "Releases > > use majority approval voting (i.e at least 3 +1 votes and more +1 votes > > than -1 votes) and the vote should to be open 72 hours so that everyon

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:52 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > "manually placed into www.apache.org/dist" ... I left that box > unchecked, > > and well... dang. I still got it wrong, it seems. > > There no question with that answer that I can see. There’s is one that say > "Place the artifact

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > HI, > > > No, I'm not gonna issue PRs. The methodology of presenting 2 of 3 > answers, > > then saying I got it wrong because I couldn't click that not-shown 3rd… > > It not doing that it only scores the check boxes on the screen. > And as

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Here is the precise display: > > > > Can Apache distribute products under a prohibited ('Category X') license? > > No (with a couple of exceptions).Yes but only for some common build > tools. > > > > So I go ahead and click "No" b

Re: Apache Policy Quiz

2018-01-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > HI, > > > *Dependencies* to build the products. We don't include autoconf itself > > Not all of it but you do need to include GPL licensed files. An example > [1]. > > Except that they do have a get out jail free provision in them “You need

Re: [VOTE] Retire iota

2018-02-04 Thread Greg Stein
+1 to retire (binding) On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > This is a call to vote for the retirement of the Iota podling. > > The podling has discussed retirement [1], has not made a single release > and there's been little activity on it’s mailing list [2] and repos [

Re: Manually created binary data in ASF repos?

2018-02-12 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:45 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > On 02/12/2018 09:42 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > > >> I have a little question regarding binary data in ASF repos. > > > > IMO It’s only compiled code that’s not allowed, other binary formats > like image, pdfs, fonts etc ect are all

Re: Incubation disclaimer in German?

2018-02-15 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 4:25 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > 2018-02-14 14:15 GMT+01:00 Christofer Dutz : > > > I am currently finishing some magazine articles about Apache PLC4X and > Apache Edgent and therefore sent Sally my documents fort he official „ok“ … > I should add the incubation disclaime

Re: Self Serve & IPMC Members

2018-03-12 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 6:57 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 09/03/18 21:47, Chris Lambertus wrote: > > My understanding is that any pmc-chair can create resources for any > project via selfserve.a.o. It does not have to be the pmc chair of that > specific project, so there should be quite a few peop

Re: Retiring without participation from the PPMC

2018-03-12 Thread Greg Stein
Nothing happens. There are no binding (PPMC) votes. That said, if the PPMC doesn't even weigh in, then the podling probably ought to be retired (due to lack of oversight/involvement). And that would be the IPMC voting for the retirement. Cheers, -g On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:31 PM, lewis john m

Re: Podling announcing releases

2018-03-18 Thread Greg Stein
Using download.cgi or closer.lua (ie. using the mirror network) has been Apache policy since its inception. This is not "recently". http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#host-GA On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 3:48 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > Hi All, > > In dec 2017 the Apache Trafodion Projec

Re: Podling announcing releases

2018-03-18 Thread Greg Stein
age's incorrect link. I don't think we would edit your page, but we *can* stop your misuse of www.a.o/dist, and recommend you switch to using the mirror network, per release policy. Consider Trafodion officially warned. cc:dev@trafodion Regards, Greg Stein Infrastructure Administrator

Re: Podling announcing releases

2018-03-18 Thread Greg Stein
wrote: > Greg, > > I'm confused about this warning. It looks like Pierre was explicitly > telling people not to do the wrong thing, and spot checking their website > the download links point to the mirror page for at least their latest > release. > > Mike > > On Su

Re: Podling announcing releases

2018-03-18 Thread Greg Stein
Looks like they've updated the web page just recently. Agreed: it has the correct links now. On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > Hey Mike, > > The latest release (2.2.0) has this link for the source: > http://www.apache.org/dist/trafodion/apache-trafodion-2.

Re: Redirecting pagespeed.incubator.apache.org to modpagespeed.com

2018-04-13 Thread Greg Stein
One step at a time. If they want to throw a single page up *today* rather than wait six weeks to fully port their website... I would take the page. We already had an inquiry on Druid of where their site is. A placeholder is better than a 404. Unless, of course, you are personally volunteering to q

Re: Redirecting pagespeed.incubator.apache.org to modpagespeed.com

2018-04-15 Thread Greg Stein
gt; > John > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 12:02 AM Julian Hyde > wrote: > > > I (as a Druid mentor) suggested the placeholder page, for the exact > > reasons Greg describes. Short term, I promise, and better than a 404. > > > > Julian > > > > > On

Re: Redirecting pagespeed.incubator.apache.org to modpagespeed.com

2018-04-15 Thread Greg Stein
should indicate these are not Apache releases. > > > > Perhaps Mark T has some more input on the branding and naming aspects. > > > > John > > > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 12:02 AM Julian Hyde > > wrote: > > > > > I (as a Druid mentor) suggeste

Re: Default webpages for new podlings

2018-04-15 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > > Hi - > > > > I think that a brand compliant initial podling page would not be hard to > > create using the Apache CMS. > The CMS is deprecated. No podlings/TLPs can choose to set up

Re: Default webpages for new podlings

2018-04-16 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Matt Sicker wrote: > > ...Most places I've seen the CMS still in use was because of svnpubsub, > not > > necessarily cms.a.o. We use it to commit the output from > maven-s

Re: Challenges using Gitbox

2018-04-16 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 6:22 PM, toki wrote: >... > In theory, that sounds good, but as a practical matter, how many people > that have ever been on the ASF board of directors neither know/knew, nor > use(d) any programming languages in getting there? IOW, they got there > exclusively on their ab

Re: Default webpages for new podlings

2018-04-17 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >... > Greg - You know which project I’m thinking about - OpenOffice.org. (1) I > can see a way to make Jekyll or something similar function for site > generation. Since I did the migration in I ought to be able to migrate out. > (2) The main ch

Publishing Maven artifacts under third-party coordinates (was: Set up Nexus staging profile for Dubbo ...)

2018-05-08 Thread Greg Stein
ache, of course. The restriction merely applies to any compatibility/historical shims that are retained, to map the old-named packages over to new org.apache naming. Regards, Greg Stein Infrastructure Administrator, ASF On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Brian Fox wrote: > Was there discussion somewher

Re: Publishing Maven artifacts under third-party coordinates (was: Set up Nexus staging profile for Dubbo ...)

2018-05-09 Thread Greg Stein
Please note: my initial message was not to question the release process. Merely that Infra was asked to enable provision of artifacts within Maven Central under a groupId that is not "org.apache". At the moment, we cannot / will-not work on making that possible. Infra doesn't involve itself in comm

Re: Publishing Maven artifacts under third-party coordinates (was: Set up Nexus staging profile for Dubbo ...)

2018-05-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:31 AM, Huxing Zhang wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:59 PM, Willem Jiang > wrote: > > Is there any plan for going through the vote process of Binary file? > > Yes, binaries will also go through the vote process. No. It makes no sense. There is NO WAY to ver

Re: Publishing Maven artifacts under third-party coordinates (was: Set up Nexus staging profile for Dubbo ...)

2018-05-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 9:50 AM, Julian Hyde wrote: > > In other words, there are several ways to prove that a binary release is > WRONG but (to Greg’s point) there is no way to prove it RIGHT. > > That's actually a great way to put it.

Re: Minified Javascript in source releases (was Re: [VOTE] Release Apache ECharts (incubating) 4.1.0.rc3)

2018-05-22 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 2:52 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Javascript code that is minified or combined in any major way is much > more > > like binary code in that respect. It is true that somebody *could* > inspect > > the correlation, but it is not true that this inspection is either > n

Re: graphviz as a potential apache project

2018-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
Agreed. I've used graphviz many times over the years, and would love to call it Apache Graphviz :-) On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 2:21 PM Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > License is an issue with GraphViz but I'm +1 to help them come under the > ASF umbrella! > > -- > Kevin A. McGrail > VP Fundraising, Apache

Re: How do reporting groups get assigned?

2014-11-22 Thread Greg Stein
Leveling. Which group has the fewest? Boom. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:06 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > I always assumed that it was based on the month the podling joins. Since > there are 3 reporting groups, the decision on who to report is on the mod > of the current month number against 3, so I

Re: Running an experiment with pTLP

2014-12-30 Thread Greg Stein
And another +1 from myself, as a Director voting on that proposal/resolution. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > The structure would still be there - my hypothesis is that the > mentors + the board will both uplift structure, and h

Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-30 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:04 AM, jan i wrote: > On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Bertrand Delacretaz > > wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell > > > wrote: > > > ...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead that coincide with > Chair > > and I'm pretty sure > > > in some

my pTLP view

2015-01-23 Thread Greg Stein
Roman kicked off a query about "next steps", with links to several wiki pages on possibilities. The "IncubatorV2" page which describes a "probationary TLP" is nothing like I have thought about. In my mind, a pTLP looks *exactly* like any other PMC. They report directly to the Board, they have inf

Re: my pTLP view

2015-01-23 Thread Greg Stein
trand Delacretaz" wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > ...1. probationary text is prominent,... > > > ...2. the initial PMC is comprised of only ASF Members... > > I like that proposal, it's simple and looks actionable.

Re: my pTLP view

2015-01-23 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 23, 2015 8:53 AM, "jan i" wrote: > > On 23 January 2015 at 14:42, Greg Stein wrote: > >... > > I agree with everything else you write, but the demand for "only ASF > Members" seems very hard. If I come to ASF with a community and a project, >

Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-23 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: >... > Time is on the side of those who think shepherd institution should die. It > would be better if it died quickly, vacating the report review mindspace > and > making way for Mentor commentary supplemented by reactive IPMC report > fe

Re: my pTLP view

2015-01-23 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 6:18 PM, jan i wrote: > On Saturday, January 24, 2015, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < > ross.gard...@microsoft.com > > wrote: > > > No, the PMC is *not* the driving force. The project community is, even > > where the PMC is a subset of the committers. Since it is the set of

Re: my pTLP view

2015-01-23 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > On 1/23/15, 1:34 PM, "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" > wrote: > > >A good mentor is a guide, not a manager. > > > >The proposals might seem top down, but when executed correctly, they are > >not. > > OK, I'll accept that, but if executed correct

Re: my pTLP view

2015-01-23 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Andrew Purtell wrote: >... > project, they become a PPMC, a podling. Sure, the IPMC provides oversight, > and the board again, but the PPMC can make binding votes on committers, > releases, everything that matters - provisionally, of course, which is > completely

Re: Next steps for various proposals (mentor re-boot, pTLP, etc.)

2015-01-23 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > Hi Greg, > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > There is nothing stopping the IPMC from designating certain Mentors as > > shepherds for their podlings. > > Having volunteers step forw

Re: my pTLP view

2015-01-25 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Purtell wrote: > > This is *exactly* the way things work in a TLP. > > Yes, everyone new to the Foundation on the PPMC has a sense of equal > ownership in the process. The PPMC makes a decision together as equals, > then the decision is reviewed as a whole.

Re: my pTLP view

2015-01-25 Thread Greg Stein
vote on releases, new > committers, and elevating committers to PMC. > > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Purtell > > wrote: > > > > > > This is *exactly* the way things work in a TLP. > &

Re: my pTLP view

2015-01-25 Thread Greg Stein
Go to the FIRST POST of this thread (titled: "my pTLP view"!!). THAT is what we're talking about. Not the Strawman. On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Andrew Purtell wrote: > Oh, my mistake! (smile) I confused pTLP with the "Strawman" proposal there > for a minute. In the pTLP proposal, there are

Re: my pTLP view

2015-01-26 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jan 25, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz > > wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > >>> ...The

Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment

2015-01-27 Thread Greg Stein
There are a few things that I would suggest for "next steps": 1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki is fine, but you'll want to involve board@ when you have your first draft done. This will also start the discussion among the Directors (recall: the Board hasn't even agreed to try th

Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment

2015-01-27 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >... > Totally agreed! Who can help me learning the ropes on how ComDev > documentation is maintained, etc? > Maybe ask on dev@community rather than general@ ?? :-P

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Streams 0.1-incubating release

2015-02-03 Thread Greg Stein
This release announcement does not contain the required DISCLAIMER necessary for all incubating projects. Please see: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Steve Blackmon wrote: > I'm pleased to announce immediate availability of streams 0.1-incubat

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Slider 0.60.0-incubating

2015-02-03 Thread Greg Stein
This release announcement does not contain the required DISCLAIMER necessary for all incubating projects. Please see: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Josh Elser wrote: > The Apache Slider team is proud to announce Apache Slider incubation > re

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Slider 0.60.0-incubating

2015-02-03 Thread Greg Stein
Heh. Just saw how old this release was... :-P On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > This release announcement does not contain the required DISCLAIMER > necessary for all incubating projects. > > Please see: > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html >

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Slider 0.60.0-incubating

2015-02-03 Thread Greg Stein
doesn't forget it > like I did. > > > Greg Stein wrote: > >> Heh. Just saw how old this release was... :-P >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >> >> This release announcement does not contain the required DI

Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment

2015-02-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:38 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > I missed a few important points in this thread last week, with which I > disagree: > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > ...1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wi

Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment

2015-02-11 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > > Who ever said the Incubator has the exclusive Right to be the only way to > > become part of the Apache Software Foundation? New approaches can be > > discus

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-02-24 Thread Greg Stein
This is fantastic. Thanks you, Niclas! On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Roman, > > See comments below to > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Provisional+TLP > > > 2.1 --> I suggest to change the word "probationary" to "provisional". I > also suggest that

Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment

2015-02-24 Thread Greg Stein
"if we accept" ... take a position, Ross. The two problems *are* orthogonal. The IPMC can do whatever it likes. A pTLP is a proposal to the Board. Bertrand would like to see discussion on general@incubator, but that is merely a handy location. It actually has zero to do with the Incubator. Ross:

Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment

2015-02-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Hi Niclas, > > I'm in favor of the overall pTLP process. I don't > agree with others that it hasn't been well specified yet. I > There is (yet) a singular page that defines the process. Roman has b

Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment

2015-02-24 Thread Greg Stein
with that. And if > someone does claim this then the two things are not orthogonal. > > Ross > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > From: Greg Stein<mailto:gst...@gmail.com> > Sent: 2/24/2015 12:32 AM > To: general@incubator.apache.org<

Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment

2015-02-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >... > Sam --> Think there is no need for a new concept, and have no problem with > incoming projects backed by ASF veterans to bypass the Incubator. > I believe Sam gave this based on a singular, concrete proposal. He would likely respond d

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-02-26 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:08 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:35 AM, Niclas Hedhman > wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:27 PM, jan i wrote: > >> The proposal only refer to new projects entering Apache, would it be > worth > >> while to consider a way for projects that e

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) > wrote: > > ...either this pTLP idea is independent of the IPMC. Or it is not > > I think it is actually in between ;-) > > While the pTLP itself, once created by the boa

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org> > > wrote: > >> ...the steps that lead to the board voting on the

Re: pTLP process amendments

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:11 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org> > >>...The Incubator PMC might not have a > >> formal say in pT

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:56 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > Roman, > > I don't think much is missing. One of my concerns with all of these > proposals, especially for participants like myself, is the difference in > how the IPMC operates vs how these PMCs must operate. For someone like me, > I would

Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC

2015-04-23 Thread Greg Stein
I'd suggest striking the user@ mailing list. Keep the community (such as it is) on dev@ until traffic gets too heavy. I've seen early splitting of the user/dev keep a new project from reaching a good critical mass. On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > Initial sketch placed on the w

Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC

2015-04-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: >... > > our own project operations, which we'll do in any case. The presumed > pTLP would be to develop the code; I could easily imagine some of the > code being useful as examples outside of the ASF. Being a pTLP would > also make developme

Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC

2015-04-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > I'd suggest striking the user@ mailing list. Keep the community (such > as it > > is) on dev@ until traffic gets too heavy. I've seen early splitting of &

Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC

2015-04-27 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > It's a tough one. We could be setting a precedence here that we absolutely > do not want to set. On the other hand, it's problematic (not to mention > simply ridiculous) if the foundation not being

Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC

2015-04-28 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >... > In case you're curious -- I'd ask the same question, for example, > about a community > that decided to produce software that is be only applicable as an add-on > for a small market share commercial offering. > The Foundation does

Re: Blog policy for poddlings

2015-05-29 Thread Greg Stein
To clarify one step further: podlings are not official projects, so any outreach via apache.org (and its name/recognition) needs appropriate messaging. That is why we have press@ :-) On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > It's not ComD

Re: Licensing Issue

2015-06-28 Thread Greg Stein
hahaha funny that the template at that site says the software is in the public domain, but then goes on to state what can be done with it, and to provide a disclaimer. If it is truly in the public domain, then no futher discussion is needed. And note that some jurisdictions (eg France) don't a

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Aapche Lens 2.2.0-beta-incubating released

2015-07-17 Thread Greg Stein
Hello, Lens people! In the future, please ensure that *all* release announcements include the Incubating "Disclaimer" in them. Your download page should be updated (asap) to include the same. Thanks, -g On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Amareshwari Sriramdasu < amareshw...@apache.org> wrote: >

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

2015-07-29 Thread Greg Stein
On Jul 29, 2015 11:37 AM, "Branko Čibej" wrote: > > On 29.07.2015 18:14, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015, at 03:19 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > >> Personally I'm not too happy with how this community tracks issues, but > >> hey, if it works for them, why fix it? It'll be a fine day whe

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

2015-07-29 Thread Greg Stein
On Jul 29, 2015 12:45 PM, "Konstantin Boudnik" wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:25PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > On Jul 29, 2015 11:37 AM, "Branko Čibej" wrote: > > > > > > On 29.07.2015 18:14, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > &

Re: Looking for Champion

2018-06-18 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:08 PM Ryan Blue wrote: >... > 2. The license problems so far show that the project has not paid adequate > attention to licensing up to now, which is a big risk. I'd like to see what > kind of licensing scrub is proposed before the potential podling's first > release. I

Re: Looking for Champion

2018-06-18 Thread Greg Stein
Heya Ryan, On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:39 PM Ryan Blue wrote: > > we have allowed (and IMO should continue) podlings to have licensing > issues during their incubator releases > > Thanks for pointing this out, Greg. I wasn't aware of this and have always > had releases fail when we discover licens

Re: Committer/PPMC votes

2018-06-21 Thread Greg Stein
Roy said a while ago that for (P)PMC votes, a -1 is a veto. It is basically saying, "I cannot work with this person". And corollary, "I should not have to". Cheers, -g On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 20:54 Hen wrote: > Interesting. > > Foundation-wise, all our votes are Majority Voting (new member vote,

Re: [DISCUSS] Retirement Policies related to GitHub/GitBox

2018-06-29 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 1:10 PM Dave Fisher wrote: >... > For podlings that have an active GitHub through GitBox the implication of > this step is that the IPMC will now have control of the GitHub auth. > > (1) What needs to be done to the archive to make it clear that the podling > is retired? S

Re: Private area for incubating projects

2018-06-29 Thread Greg Stein
Please file an INFRA ticket, and we'll create the svn area for the podling, and apply the right permissions. Cheers, Greg Stein InfraAdmin, ASF On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 3:19 AM Huxing Zhang wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to store some private information for Dubbo(incubating) &g

Re: Private area for incubating projects

2018-06-29 Thread Greg Stein
Example: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14329 On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 12:22 AM Greg Stein wrote: > Please file an INFRA ticket, and we'll create the svn area for the > podling, and apply the right permissions. > > Cheers, > Greg Stein > InfraAdmin, ASF > &

Re: [DISCUSS] Retirement Policies related to GitHub/GitBox

2018-07-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 9:35 PM Greg Stein wrote: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 1:10 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > >... > >> For podlings that have an active GitHub through GitBox the implication of >> this step is that the IPMC will now have control of the GitHub auth. >> &

Re: Poddlings length of time in the incubator

2018-08-26 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 8:22 PM Ted Dunning wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > > > Hi - > > > > ... > > > Possibly retirement? > > > ODF toolkit (7 years in the incubator!) > > > > I’ve discussed this some on the ODF toolkit dev list. Development was > > recently moved

Re: Poddlings length of time in the incubator

2018-08-28 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 8:01 PM Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >... > In the past we typically shied away from setting deadlines for certain > milestones in community development within podlings. This, in my view, > somewhat encouraged this phenomenon of an "eternal podling" (active > enough not to be i

Re: Guidance : Gitter --> Slack

2018-08-31 Thread Greg Stein
Slack has no F/OSS discounts, but they *do* have a discount for charities like the ASF. The ASF has not (yet) chosen to purchase a license, though, as we encourage mailing lists rather than synchronous chat services. We also want the discussions *recorded* on ASF hardware for archival/review purpos

Re: Guidance : Gitter --> Slack

2018-09-01 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 7:08 PM Greg Stein wrote: > > > Slack has no F/OSS discounts, but they *do* have a discount for charities > > like the ASF. The ASF has not (yet) chosen to purchase a license, though, > > as we encourage mailing lists rather than synchronous chat

Re: Guidance : Gitter --> Slack

2018-09-01 Thread Greg Stein
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 8:04 PM Sid Anand wrote: > Hi Greg, > Interesting. I just tried that and was shown "airflow is already taken by a > channel, user, or user group". > Seems somebody in your community already set it up? > However, apache-airflow is available. > Why create something new, i

Re: Guidance : Gitter --> Slack

2018-09-01 Thread Greg Stein
yone can register an account on this > slack workspace using any email account (e.g. does not need to be > Apache.org emails)? Is that correct? > > -s > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 6:32 PM Greg Stein wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 8:04 PM Sid Anand wrote: > > &

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 5:30 PM P. Taylor Goetz wrote: > Aren’t the foundation-level bylaws about how the ASF operates as a > non-profit business? > There are two types of "bylaws" at the Foundation level. The official ones you're referring to, and the project ones under dev/ (the "how it works"

Re: Graduation Resolutions Should Not Include Project Bylaws Clause

2018-09-02 Thread Greg Stein
hehe.. and I agree with both of you :-) But when the concept of "foundation-level project bylaws" came up, that is where they are. Not labeled as such, not explained well, etc. Agreed. Yet conceptually, those are the "default project bylaws" should a PMC not decide to write up something else. We'

Re: Mentor capactity of the incubator

2018-09-16 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 2:18 AM Justin Mclean wrote: >... > For IPMC members who are unable to be a mentor I’m curious to know what > the reasons are, I’m sure that “not having the time" is probably the number > one reason, but are is there any thing else stopping member (in particular > first ti

Re: Auto-cleaning up Stale PRs

2018-09-19 Thread Greg Stein
esn't touch the code repository. Probot Stale has been enabled for Airflow. Cheers, Greg Stein Infrastructure Administrator, ASF On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 7:47 PM Sid Anand wrote: > Ismael, > Thanks for this pointer. I've re-opened my INFRA ticket and referenced your > Apache

Re: How to review so-called "binary releases"?

2018-10-24 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:25 PM Julian Hyde wrote: >... > As a reviewer, how am I to vote on this release candidate? You do NOT vote on binary artifacts. Since you cannot release binaries, you should not put the Foundation's imprimatur on those artifacts (and as PMC Member, that is what your v

Re: How to review so-called "binary releases"?

2018-10-25 Thread Greg Stein
releases. > > When reviewing binary archives we need to make sure that the license file > is updated with the shiped dependencies licenses appropriately and that > they are all compatible with the Apache License (notice file might also > need to be updated). > > > On Thu, Oct 2

Re: How to review so-called "binary releases"?

2018-10-25 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 12:25 PM Julian Hyde wrote: > Jim, you’re re-iterating the premise of my question. In the context of my > question, it doesn’t matter what these things are called. But we need to > know how reviewers are to handle them. > > Since I asked the original question, I have found

Re: [IPMC] What to do with retired podling repositories

2019-01-14 Thread Greg Stein
If they didn't graduate, then they aren't Apache projects. So as Myrle says, "what are they doing on our servers?" For the retired podlings, our copy of their code could be misleading, relative to where it came from, or where the community may have newly forked it. Not an Infra opinion, -g On Mo

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Unomi to TLP

2019-01-21 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:21 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > -0 (binding) - This podling has never completed a suitable podling name > search. It seems that people no longer consider that relevant as it is not > in the Maturity model and I’m not sure why. It could be because that is > ComDev and not the

Re: [PROPOSAL] New blockchain project: Cava

2019-02-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 6:06 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > Hey just because there is a restaurant chain called Cava does not mean > that a software project called Cava is not suitable. > > BTW Cava is Spanish Sparkling Wine - it is like Champagne but made with > Spanish varietals. [1] > I read it as: i

Re: [PROPOSAL] New blockchain project: Cava

2019-02-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:48 AM Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Feb 6, 2019, at 6:16 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 6:06 PM Dave Fisher > wrote: > >> > >> Hey just because there is a restaurant chain called Cava does not mean >

Re: Renaming repos and security concerns

2019-02-09 Thread Greg Stein
Hehe... I think she just said "patches welcome" 😋 On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 08:19 Myrle Krantz I have no objections to you editing that into it. I do however think it's > important to explain the reasons for the rules together with the rules. > > Please note that I've mentioned legal jeopardy, so if

Re: [Proposal] Apache TVM

2019-02-15 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:42 PM Markus Weimer wrote: >... > === Meritocracy === > > The TVM stack began as a research project of the SAMPL group at Paul G. > Allen > School of Computer Science & Engineering, University of Washington. The > project > is now driven by an open source community invo

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