** MISSING ** February Incubator Reports

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Why are we being hectored on Monday when the reports are not even due? So as an experiment, Craig, here we are with the February report due. And without prodding, as I did in January, check out the state of the podling reports: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2009 Nothing for Cassandr

RE: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
What about banning any releases until the report has been submitted? And if necessary, closing off commit karma to make the point stick? If the project is hibernating, those would effect it, but as Jukka suggested, we would simply go through the process of suspending the project. If the project i

RE: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Provided that we get a Marvin like script for PPMC I had asked Dave if he would work on that, but I don't know that anything got finished. Anyone want to take a shot at it? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general

Re: log4php status?

2009-02-16 Thread Jim Jagielski
Well, one sure way is to a formal release and get more people to look at it. On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:58 AM, Danny Angus wrote: We've been using log4php during development work, taking the next step on the road to production obviously depends upon the stability and future of the project. I'm reaso

[VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, I am raising this as a vote. --- Noel ---

Suspending Projects

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and the Community as a whole. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-un

February 2009 Incubator Board Report

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
The last month has been fairly quite, with nothing currently requiring the attention of the Board. We voted to accept Pivot for Incubation. Pivot did not report this month, but is still just getting started, and have not yet received all of their infrastructure (https://issues.apache.org/jira/bro

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Martin Cooper
+1. I see little chance of XAP being resurrected at this point. -- Martin Cooper On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspe

Re: ** MISSING ** February Incubator Reports

2009-02-16 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Noel, On Feb 16, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Why are we being hectored on Monday when the reports are not even due? So as an experiment, Craig, here we are with the February report due. And without prodding, as I did in January, check out the state of the podling report

Re: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 1/19/09, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Craig Russell wrote: > >> > To me it sounds that the Mentors are sleeping >>> Totally agree, it is the mentors responsibility to make sure "their" >>> podlings submit their reports on time. >> Totally agree, it is the mentors responsibility to make sure "th

Re: log4php status?

2009-02-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > Well, one sure way is to a formal release and get more > people to look at it. log4php would surely benefit of that. I watched this list for a while now, and it looks like less activity. Somebody here told me that there is no activity cause

Re: Suspending Projects

2009-02-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be > considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and > the Community as a whole. I am long term apache user and have no benefit from projects

RE: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
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Re: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-16 Thread Craig L Russell
On Feb 16, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On 1/19/09, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Craig Russell wrote: To me it sounds that the Mentors are sleeping Totally agree, it is the mentors responsibility to make sure "their" podlings submit their reports on time. Totally agree,

RE: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > A practical problem [is] that reports are submitted right up to the deadline Yes, that's something I discussed last month, and again today with Craig. > Asking the mentors to submit a confidential report (on private) > whenever a report is missed would be reasonable

RE: ** MISSING ** February Incubator Reports

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Craig.Russell wrote: > Note that last month, I was not complaining about the messages, just > the timing. Apologies if that wasn't clear. I knew it had to do with the timing, and just that, Craig. No worries. My point is that people are not getting the reports done on time. Sure *some* do, such

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 Craig On Feb 16, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, I am

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with > XAP, > I am rais

RE: Suspending Projects

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> if projects get suspended - what happens to the repository? Is > it still public available somewhere? Suspension would include: -- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate) -- disable commit access (no need to review changes) -- change the index of projects The idea being to both f

RE: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Craig Russell wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > > A practical problem with this approach is that reports are submitted > > right up to the deadline > I'm not sure I understand your point. The deadline is the Wednesday a > week ahead of the board meeting. I believe that Robert was pointing o

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Martijn Dashorst
+1 On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, > I am rai

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Yoav Shapira
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, > I am raising

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Luciano Resende
+1 On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Yoav Shapira wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 >> months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed >> suspension. Having reached,

Re: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-16 Thread Yoav Shapira
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > What about banning any releases until the report has been submitted? And if > necessary, closing off commit karma to make the point stick? To me, that sounds better than confidential reports. It's public, transparent, affects the whole

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Noel J. Bergman schrieb: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, > I am raising this as a vote. > > ---

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Eddie O'Neil
+1. Eddie On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: Noel J. Bergman schrieb: In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009,

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Kevan Miller
+1 --kevan On Feb 16, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, I am r

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
+1. Noel J. Bergman wrote: In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, I am raising this as a vote. --- Noel

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Noel J. Bergman wrote: In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, I am raising this as a vote. --- Noel

Re: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-16 Thread David Crossley
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > > Provided that we get a Marvin like script for PPMC > > I had asked Dave if he would work on that, but I don't know that anything > got finished. Anyone want to take a shot at it? Upayavira suggested something useful in another thread. I can do that - when i find th

RE: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
David Crossley wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > I had asked Dave if he would work on [a Marvin-like script], but I don't know that anything > > got finished. Anyone want to take a shot at it? > Upayavira suggested something useful in another thread. > I can do that - when i find the time. Than

Re: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-16 Thread Craig L Russell
On Feb 16, 2009, at 6:58 PM, David Crossley wrote: If we keep relying on mentors, then we are not training the podlings in the ASF way. We are actually training them to leave it all up to someone else. I believe that while a podling is getting organized (first three months) it's unlikely th

Re: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 2/17/09, Craig L Russell wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2009, at 6:58 PM, David Crossley wrote: > >> >> If we keep relying on mentors, then we are not >> training the podlings in the ASF way. We are actually >> training them to leave it all up to someone else. >> > I believe that while a podling is gett

Re: Suspending Projects

2009-02-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 2/16/09, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> if projects get suspended - what happens to the repository? Is >> it still public available somewhere? > > Suspension would include: > > -- disable the mailing lists (no need to moderate) > -- disable commit access (no need to review changes) > -- change

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 2/16/09, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, > I am raising this as a vote. -1