Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, can we please just end this futile discussion? I agree, that water flows one direction only. But there needs to be water first to flow in any direction. If there will be enough to establish a flow, can only be seen, once the podling is in place. The risk estimation (will the podling run

RE: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Marvin Humphrey wrote: > The code bases are already divergent and it would be very difficult to > reconcile them. To make Apache OOo "upstream" from LO would mean one > of two things OK, let's clarify for sensibility: Apache would be upstream (licensing acting as a diode), but not THE upstream.

RE: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ian Lynch wrote: > It's no good saying "if this or if that" because we are > where we are. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle :-). Exactly. > This is really the crux of all the discussions. Is it better to maximise the > development resource through cooperation or is it better to have two >

RE: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > > Just because you choose a particular license that does not make you > > de-facto 'upstream'. You may not like that a diode only allows current to flow one way, but that is its function. The notion of upstream is simply a factual function that

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 7, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > [...] their downstream code cannot be used. Hence, the best outcome > under the current licensing regime is for all core development to be > done here, and for TDF to be a downstre

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Sam Ruby
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:17 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 6/8/2011 10:06 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: >> On 08/06/2011 16:33, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >>> >>> 1. find a proper coherence and relevance between Apache OOo& >>> LibreOffice on a technological level and on  a distribution level >>> 2.

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/8/2011 10:06 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 08/06/2011 16:33, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >> >> 1. find a proper coherence and relevance between Apache OOo& >> LibreOffice on a technological level and on a distribution level >> 2. find a proper coherence with IBM's business requirements (Symphony)

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Ross Gardler
On 08/06/2011 16:33, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: My understanding is that the Apache OpenOffice codebase matters to IBM and anyone who would want to use the specificities of the Apache licensing, and I understand this as being a reality we can all agree on. Instead of spending hours and keystrokes p

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Marvin, Le Wed, 8 Jun 2011 06:04:42 -0700, Marvin Humphrey a écrit : > On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 09:43:45AM +0200, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Norbert Thiebaud > > wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman > > > wrote: > > > > > > [...] th

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 09:43:45AM +0200, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > > [...] their downstream code cannot be used.  Hence, the best outcome > > under the current licensing regime

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Ian Lynch
On 8 June 2011 08:43, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Norbert Thiebaud > wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman > wrote: > > > > [...] their downstream code cannot be used. Hence, the best outcome > > under the current licensing regime is for all co

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > [...] their downstream code cannot be used.  Hence, the best outcome > under the current licensing regime is for all core development to be > done here, and for TDF to be a downstr

Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-07 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: [...] their downstream code cannot be used.  Hence, the best outcome under the current licensing regime is for all core development to be done here, and for TDF to be a downstream consumer. Just because you choose a particular license that d