Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-31 Thread Noah Slater
Thanks for the clarification Roy. On 31 October 2012 05:29, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > [generic incubator comments -- nothing specific to CloudStack] ... > > On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > > On 29 October 2012 14:48, Chip Childers > wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:39 AM,

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-30 Thread Roy T. Fielding
[generic incubator comments -- nothing specific to CloudStack] ... On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > On 29 October 2012 14:48, Chip Childers wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Noah Slater wrote: >>> But regardless, you couldn't. A single -1 vote would be >>> enough to bl

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Noah Slater
Thanks for investigating this, Chip. I am happy with us proceeding, but would caution us to think about addressing or documenting this in a later release. I'd say wait until tomorrow to see if anyone else objects then wrap up the vote. Let's ship this thing! On 29 October 2012 16:21, Chip Child

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Chip Childers
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> Bertrand, is a compressed archive of source a source or a binary? > > hehe...right, you said earlier in this thread that the file in > question is actually just compressed

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Chip Childers
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: > >> So, it's no more good (or bad) than shipping a .tar.bz2 of >> some category A open source code (given the license). > > +1 > > From your description, this is different from

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > So, it's no more good (or bad) than shipping a .tar.bz2 of > some category A open source code (given the license). +1 >From your description, this is different from a compiled object file, it's compressed source. No information is lost

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Bertrand, is a compressed archive of source a source or a binary? hehe...right, you said earlier in this thread that the file in question is actually just compressed source code, is that correct? If yes, it's just weird to include it in

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Benson Margulies
Bertrand, is a compressed archive of source a source or a binary? On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > Nice summary Bertrand. > > > On 29 October 2012 15:22, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Chip Childers >> wrote: >>> ...Waf is a packagin

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Noah Slater
Nice summary Bertrand. On 29 October 2012 15:22, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Chip Childers > wrote: > > ...Waf is a packaging utility, used to create RPMs and DEBs. Work is > > currently ongoing to remove it (and it's use) from the project > > entirely

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Chip Childers wrote: > ...Waf is a packaging utility, used to create RPMs and DEBs. Work is > currently ongoing to remove it (and it's use) from the project > entirely... > ...That will be several weeks of work (not days), > which is significantly longer than

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Chip Childers
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Chip Childers wrote: > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Florian Holeczek >> wrote: >>> Hi Noah, >>> We're just voting on our first release, and I spotted this file in the root of the source

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Noah Slater
On 29 October 2012 15:13, Chip Childers wrote: > > I'll try to be more clear next time. I'm holding the vote open > specifically because of this outstanding question, *regardless* of the > current tally. That's what I was expressing. Understood. I suspected we were on the same page, but I wan

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Chip Childers
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > On 29 October 2012 14:48, Chip Childers wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Noah Slater wrote: >> > Thanks for following up Chip. Though I do just want to clarify one >> > misconception. >> > >> > On 29 October 2012 13:21, Chip Chi

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Noah Slater
Veto or none veto, binding or non-binding, a -1 vote is an indication of a problem. Process for process sake is pointless and unproductive, so I don't care about the technicalities. A good RM should be looking for excuses to halt the release. (Even though he may strongly want the release to be succ

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Emmanuel Lécharny
Le 10/29/12 3:39 PM, Noah Slater a écrit : Thanks for following up Chip. Though I do just want to clarify one misconception. On 29 October 2012 13:21, Chip Childers wrote: I actually have more than enough votes right now to close the thread out on the project's dev list, and open up a vote fo

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Noah Slater
On 29 October 2012 14:48, Chip Childers wrote: > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > > Thanks for following up Chip. Though I do just want to clarify one > > misconception. > > > > On 29 October 2012 13:21, Chip Childers > wrote: > > > >> > >> I actually have more than enough

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Chip Childers
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > Thanks for following up Chip. Though I do just want to clarify one > misconception. > > On 29 October 2012 13:21, Chip Childers wrote: > >> >> I actually have more than enough votes right now to close the thread >> out on the project's dev li

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Noah Slater
Thanks for following up Chip. Though I do just want to clarify one misconception. On 29 October 2012 13:21, Chip Childers wrote: > > I actually have more than enough votes right now to close the thread > out on the project's dev list, and open up a vote for the IPMC. No you don't. To me, this

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Chip Childers
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Florian Holeczek wrote: >> Hi Noah, >> >>> We're just voting on our first release, and I spotted this file in the root >>> of the source: >>> >>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-cloudst

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Chip Childers
Hi all, I'm the RM for the release, so I wanted to provide some context to Noah's question. Some of this has already been mentioned on the project's vote thread, but I'll bring it up again here to see if there are any thoughts to help us decide if this is a blocker or not. At this point, I'm hol

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Florian Holeczek wrote: > Hi Noah, > >> We're just voting on our first release, and I spotted this file in the root >> of the source: >> >> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-cloudstack.git;a=blob_plain;f=waf;hb=HEAD >> >> It seems to be a sort of

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Florian Holeczek
Hi Noah, > We're just voting on our first release, and I spotted this file in the root > of the source: > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-cloudstack.git;a=blob_plain;f=waf;hb=HEAD > > It seems to be a sort of hybrid source/binary file. Very strange. > > Can we ship this?

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > ...We're just voting on our first release, and I spotted this file in the root > of the source: > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-cloudstack.git;a=blob_plain;f=waf;hb=HEAD > > It seems to be a sort of hybrid source/binary

Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-28 Thread Noah Slater
Hey, We're just voting on our first release, and I spotted this file in the root of the source: https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-cloudstack.git;a=blob_plain;f=waf;hb=HEAD It seems to be a sort of hybrid source/binary file. Very strange. Can we ship this? Thanks, -- NS