Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-03-01 Thread David Crossley
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Toback, Steve wrote: > >As far as I can tell, we have our paperwork in, name chosen, and proposal > >accepted. Is there anything else we need at this point in order to get our > >space as a podling and begin growing our community? > > Not alot you can do but thank yo

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-03-01 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, I'll sign up as a mentor. I'm busy with a new job, but will make a best effort here as this is (a) an area of personal interest, and (b) something that I think is really important to the Tomcat community. Yoav On 3/1/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Re-Ping ... > > I wou

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-03-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Re-Ping ... I would be very interested to see one of the mentors come out of the Tomcat community, itself, because I believe that would forge further Unity in the growth and direction of Lokahi. But certainly any ASF member who's interested in this sort of management framework would be welcome a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-03-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Toback, Steve wrote: As far as I can tell, we have our paperwork in, name chosen, and proposal accepted. Is there anything else we need at this point in order to get our space as a podling and begin growing our community? Not alot you can do but thank you for some help in composing the startin

RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-23 Thread Toback, Steve
: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:40 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > > I personally find googling a project far more useful, and there appear > to be no conflicts with your new proposal, other than the fact that another

RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-17 Thread Stein, Neil S
very interesting- glad to be able to move on to the next steps cheers, -neil -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/17/2006 5:39 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-17 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: I personally find googling a project far more useful, and there appear to be no conflicts with your new proposal, other than the fact that another project, Echo, seems to have floated the same potential name. As long as we clarify with them that they haven't/won't ad

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-15 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Stein, Neil S wrote: If Ohana proves to have enough negative drivers, The name can go to Apache Lokahi Which translates to "harmony and unity." http://rosasay.typepad.com/mwacalendar/2005/03/lkahi.html Other than the one link which was not apparently adopted, and several community/pen pal pro

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-15 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Mads Toftum wrote: I'm sorry, but I'll have to withdraw my offer to help mentoring this project. Understandable, and thanks for being honest with the time you can commit... it's probably the hardest thing for dedicated voulenteers to do. With that said, are there others with the energy to help

RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-15 Thread Stein, Neil S
Great, thanks for the details. -neil -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 2/15/2006 5:57 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 The current guidelines are simply to avoid clashes, adn that guideline

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-15 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 2/15/2006 3:45 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/NameItEchoConflict :) We should probably check with that group that they discarded that choice. Stei

RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-15 Thread Stein, Neil S
@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/NameItEchoConflict :) We should probably check with that group that they discarded that choice. Stein, Neil S wrote: > If Ohana proves to have enough negative drivers, > The name can go to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-15 Thread Mads Toftum
I'm sorry, but I'll have to withdraw my offer to help mentoring this project. I need to focus my energy elsewhere and do not wish to spend time on incubator in its current form - please note that it has nothing to do with TMCg2. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coffee with water?!' - lw

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-15 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
uot; http://rosasay.typepad.com/mwacalendar/2005/03/lkahi.html Neil Stein phone -- 908-423-4297 -Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:17 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org; Stein, Neil S Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incu

RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-15 Thread Stein, Neil S
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:17 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org; Stein, Neil S Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 Beyond the mark issue, it really seems like there are far too many hits on Ohana project, Ohana software e.t.c. to easily distinguish this name. D

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-15 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Beyond the mark issue, it really seems like there are far too many hits on Ohana project, Ohana software e.t.c. to easily distinguish this name. Does anyone else consider this a showstopper and time to pick another name? Neil, what are your thoughts, as it's primary champion? Bill Justin Erenkr

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-15 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 2/15/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > project name, I think we shouldn't have any issues. Is "Apache Ohana" enough > of a multiword mark, though? I believe so. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-15 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
o: 'general@incubator.apache.org' Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 As I've said it before, TMC doesn't do the trick for me - plain MC would do better to remove the Tomcat reference and eventually avoid Apache The ... Of the two alternatives, I think the second is

RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-02-02 Thread Stein, Neil S
Seems as though no one has any objections to Ohana. Neil Stein -Original Message- From: Stein, Neil S Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:48 AM To: 'general@incubator.apache.org' Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 >As I've said it before, TMC doesn

RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-01-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
We should also review http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200508.mbox/%3c43 [EMAIL PROTECTED], and see if we can involve those folks, too. My recollection of the discussion from ApacheCon EU was that there was quite an enthusiastic discussion over the idea of a pluggable, ex

RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-01-25 Thread Stein, Neil S
>As I've said it before, TMC doesn't do the trick for me - plain MC >would do better to remove the Tomcat reference and eventually avoid >Apache The ... >Of the two alternatives, I think the second is the better choice. Sounds like the TMC name is out, "Ohana" is currently the front runner, addit

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-01-24 Thread Mads Toftum
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 02:45:52PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Although TMC is fairly bland (and therefore, fine ;-) I rather like both > of the proposed alternatives. Kowa, unlike alot of other Native American > names proposed on this list, is simply the name for a structure, so I don't

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-01-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Stein, Neil S wrote: Hi, It'd be nice to have an alternative." Point taken An alternate would be "Ohana" ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohana Although TMC is fairly bland (and therefore, fine ;-) I rather like both of the proposed alternatives. Kowa, unlike alot of other Native Am

RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-01-24 Thread Stein, Neil S
Hi, >>It'd be >>nice to have an alternative." Point taken An alternate would be "Ohana" ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohana Neil Stein Enterprise Web Infrastructure phone -- 908-423-4297 -- Notice: This e-mai

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-01-24 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hola, > and I would like to propose "Kowa" > "An Apache dwelling consisting of a dome shaped frame of cottonwood or other > poles, and thatched with grass. The house itself was termed, Kowa and the > grass thatch, Pi". Mmm... We've had some discussions [1, and numerous others] in the past about u

RE: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-01-24 Thread Stein, Neil S
phone -- 908-423-4297 -Original Message- From: Mads Toftum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:01 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2 On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 11:30:01PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > A final concer

Re: [Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2]

2006-01-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jan 10, 2006, at 12:42 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 11:15:25PM -0800, Roy Fielding wrote: The proposal was voted +1 by four of the most over-committed members of the ASF. The mentors are already mentoring other podlings. Mads offered to mentor as well, which seem

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-01-10 Thread Mads Toftum
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 11:30:01PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > A final concern was raised, TMCg2 stands for (???). I've read it as 'The > Management Console generation 2'. Now from an OSS standpoint, there's no > first generation, so I'd suggest dropping the g2 designation. But was I >

Re: [Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2]

2006-01-09 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 8:15 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Final Results of incubation vote; Votes +1; wrowe, mads, jerenkrantz, jimjag, geirm Votes -1; [none] As such the project is accepted for incubation. The proposal was never added to the wiki. Correct, I've neve

Re: [Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2]

2006-01-09 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 11:15:25PM -0800, Roy Fielding wrote: The proposal was voted +1 by four of the most over-committed members of the ASF. The mentors are already mentoring other podlings. Mads offered to mentor as well, which seems to have been lost in the proc

Re: [Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2]

2006-01-09 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 11:15:25PM -0800, Roy Fielding wrote: > The proposal was voted +1 by four of the most over-committed members of > the ASF. The mentors are already mentoring other podlings. Mads > offered > to mentor as well, which seems to have been lost in the process. I didn't intend

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2006-01-09 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
To publish the initial page the following need to be threshed out... Stein, Neil S wrote: At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the TMCg2 as an incubator project under the ASF. Community: >> [Snip] Need names here, including those who plan to actually participate from beyond t

Re: [Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2]

2006-01-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 08 January 2006 15:15, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > I don't see it.  If you think this is under incubation, then you need > to start by creating a status page that reflects the actual resources > being requested and by whom.  After that, I suggest you find out the > actual list of committers.

Re: [Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2]

2006-01-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 7, 2006, at 8:15 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Final Results of incubation vote; Votes +1; wrowe, mads, jerenkrantz, jimjag, geirm Votes -1; [none] As such the project is accepted for incubation. *shrug* The proposal was never added to the wiki. AFAICT, the proposal consists of tw

[Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2]

2006-01-07 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Final Results of incubation vote; Votes +1; wrowe, mads, jerenkrantz, jimjag, geirm Votes -1; [none] As such the project is accepted for incubation. Mads and I will handle the TMCg2-ppmc list moderation, while Neil and I will handle the TMCg2-dev list moderation. Jira requests have been create

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2005-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
+1 On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:28 AM, Stein, Neil S wrote: Hi, I have been leveraging a wide range of open source projects in an enterprise environment for more then 10 years. During this time, I have developed a rich understanding of both the positive and negative implications of doing so. I

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2005-12-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
It's been 6 days since the introduction to this project at ApacheCon, and two weeks, today, since it was proposed. Votes +1; wrowe, mads, jerenkrantz, jimjag Votes -1; [none] I'll give this one last day to stew, and without further objection, will call the vote and begin creating the incubation-

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2005-12-19 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Dec 17, 2005, at 10:07 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 09:28:29AM -0500, Stein, Neil S wrote: plan. At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the TMCg2 as an incubator project under the ASF. +1. -- justin +1 -

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2005-12-17 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 09:28:29AM -0500, Stein, Neil S wrote: > > plan. At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the TMCg2 as > > an > > incubator project under the ASF. +1. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EM

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2005-12-14 Thread Mads Toftum
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 04:58:54PM -0800, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Neil, and incubator PMC, > > * I'm happy to serve as mentor on this project. > I would be too if there is a need for an additional mentor. > All in all, I vote +1 to accept this project into incubation, and I thank > you >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2

2005-12-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Stein, Neil S wrote: To allow my team to manage an ever growing range of web assets, we have developed a web based tool set to manage the entire web infrastructure. Throughout the development of the tool set, the idea of releasing it back to the community that has provided me with so many wo