RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Cliff Schmidt wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote on Monday, June 14, 2004 11:46 PM: > > Understanding that "BEA has absolutely no intention of dropping > > support of the XMLBeans project", do you feel that XMLBeans is ready > > to leave the Incubator, or would it benefit from further stay? > I think

RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-17 Thread Cliff Schmidt
Noel J. Bergman wrote on Monday, June 14, 2004 11:46 PM: >> 6 BEA-employed committers + 5 independent committers > >> I think there is definitely sufficient community interest to keep the >> project going; however, it would probably move a lot slower if BEA >> were to drop XMLBeans today. > > Un

Re: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-15 Thread Steven Noels
On 14 Jun 2004, at 23:07, Cliff Schmidt wrote: Personally, I'd like to see one or two quantitative rules (such as one about independent committers to allow for vetoes) IMHO, that would be a requirement for projects prior to *entering* the incubator. -- Steven Noelshtt

RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> 6 BEA-employed committers + 5 independent committers > I think there is definitely sufficient community interest to keep the > project going; however, it would probably move a lot slower if BEA > were to drop XMLBeans today. Understanding that "BEA has absolutely no intention of dropping suppor

RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Cliff Schmidt wrote: > I think the problem we are faced with is determining how to define > a "healthy community" when used as a criterion for exiting the > incubator. I'm perfectly comfortable with adopting Justice Stewart's famous comment when it comes to defining a healthy ASF community, rathe

Re: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
Personally, I'd like to see one or two quantitative rules (such as one about independent committers to allow for vetoes) and then leave the rest up to a voting body that will evaluate graduation against some general guidelines. I also think the voting body should be the PPMC, which is made up of

RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-14 Thread Cliff Schmidt
Noel J. Bergman wrote on Monday, June 14, 2004 12:14 PM: > Jim Jagielski wrote: >> Noel J. Bergman wrote: >>> Leo Simons wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: > I have no idea where that 50% stuff came from. me neither! But I figure it was added for /some/ reason :-D >>> >>> IMO, ther

RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jim Jagielski wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Leo Simons wrote: > > > Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > > > I have no idea where that 50% stuff came from. > > > > > > me neither! But I figure it was added for /some/ reason :-D > > > > IMO, there ought to be a sufficient independent community such that

Re: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-14 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 13, 2004, at 7:45 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote on Friday, June 11, 2004 2:24 PM: I have no idea where that 50% stuff came from. me neither! But I figure it was added for /some/ reason :-D hmm. Do you have an opinion? IMO, there ought to be a sufficient

RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-14 Thread Cliff Schmidt
Noel J. Bergman wrote on Sunday, June 13, 2004 4:31 PM: > Cliff Schmidt wrote: >> Roy T. Fielding wrote: >>> Leo Simons wrote: [is the rule that a project just needs 3 independent committers, or is there an additional rule that no more than 50% of the committers must be part of a si

RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Leo Simons wrote: > Roy T. Fielding wrote on Friday, June 11, 2004 2:24 PM: >>I have no idea where that 50% stuff came from. > me neither! But I figure it was added for /some/ reason :-D > hmm. Do you have an opinion? IMO, there ought to be a sufficient independent community such that if commerci

RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Cliff Schmidt wrote: > Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > Leo Simons wrote: > > > [is the rule that a project just needs 3 independent committers, or > > > is there an additional rule that no more than 50% of the committers > > > must be part of a single company?] > > > > > > IIRC that 50% rule applies, bu

Re: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-12 Thread Leo Simons
Cliff Schmidt wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote on Friday, June 11, 2004 2:24 PM: On Friday, June 11, 2004, at 04:01 AM, Leo Simons wrote: [is the rule that a project just needs 3 independent committers, or is there an additional rule that no more than 50% of the committers must be part of a single com

RE: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-11 Thread Cliff Schmidt
Roy T. Fielding wrote on Friday, June 11, 2004 2:24 PM: > On Friday, June 11, 2004, at 04:01 AM, Leo Simons wrote: > >> [is the rule that a project just needs 3 independent committers, or >> is there an additional rule that no more than 50% of the committers >> must be part of a single company?]