On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 06:27 PM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:29:16 -0400
(Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Chair (Re: cvs commit : incubator STATUS))
Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Personally, I think it would be almost obscenely ironic
if the Incubator, wh
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:29:16 -0400
(Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Chair (Re: cvs commit : incubator STATUS))
Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, I think it would be almost obscenely ironic
> if the Incubator, which is designed to help ensure the "Apache
> Way"
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> > I don't know if everyone agrees, but I do favor a single point of
reference
> > for those documents.
> likewise. and since they're educational to new apache participants,
> the incubator seems like a good place to me.
It will be intere
On 9/18/2003 10:38 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I think that in Incubator, there need at least two or three
persons who have real power. (One Chair and two Vice Chair?)
I think we need people on the PMC who are doing the work, not expecting
Chairs and Vice Chairs to do things for them. The
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> I don't know if everyone agrees, but I do favor a single point of reference
> for those documents.
likewise. and since they're educational to new apache participants,
the incubator seems like a good place to me.
> As for time, didn't you recently resign as Commons Cha
> Mr. Ken Coar is rather HTTPD/ApacheCon oriented person.
> Mr. Nicola Ken Barozzi is rather Jakarta/XML/Cocoon oriented person.
> Mr. Paul Hammant is rather Jakarta/Avalon oriented person.
There are some cultural differences that ought to be discussed, understood,
and made use of, but I don't see
> > I think that in Incubator, there need at least two or three
> > persons who have real power. (One Chair and two Vice Chair?)
I think we need people on the PMC who are doing the work, not expecting
Chairs and Vice Chairs to do things for them. The people who work on the
PMC, and in the project
Ken,
> i see the incubator as having two roles. one is the
> entry path for new packages and their communities
I think that everyone agrees on this, although not everyone may understand
all of the nuances. For example, I wasn't clear on why a project should go
through Incubator if there is an e
Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Personally, I think it would be almost obscenely ironic
> if the Incubator, which is designed to help ensure the "Apache
> Way" in building communities and projects, has a PMC structure
> which is totally unique within the ASF.
?? you mean the chix and valences bit? or th
Personally, I think it would be almost obscenely ironic
if the Incubator, which is designed to help ensure the "Apache
Way" in building communities and projects, has a PMC structure
which is totally unique within the ASF.
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To unsu
In ThoughtWorks we try to pair (no need
to introduce XP is there?) on as much as possible... works well. It can
even work distributed.
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Hi,
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:51:13 +0200
"Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I thought the same thing. Also, to tell the truth, I think that
in
Hi,
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:51:13 +0200
"Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I thought the same thing. Also, to tell the truth, I think that
> > in Incubator, there need at least two or three persons who
> > have real power. (One Chair and two Vice Chair?)
> Why would we need more peo
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 09:17 AM, Sander Striker wrote:
From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:07 PM
I really hate to keep harping on this, but the whole
idea of the PMC Chair having "power" somehow implies that
the PMC itself is under the
> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:07 PM
> I really hate to keep harping on this, but the whole
> idea of the PMC Chair having "power" somehow implies that
> the PMC itself is under the "whim" of the Chair. Yes, the
> chair has the ultimate respo
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 08:51 AM, Sander Striker wrote:
From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:09 AM
[...]
I thought the same thing. Also, to tell the truth, I think that
in Incubator, there need at least two or three persons who
have re
> From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:09 AM
[...]
> I thought the same thing. Also, to tell the truth, I think that
> in Incubator, there need at least two or three persons who
> have real power. (One Chair and two Vice Chair?)
Why would we ne
Can we all recall one big important thing: the PMC Chair's
role is not to "run the PMC" (as we normally use that
term). That is, in fact, the role of the PMC itself. The Chair
has ultimate authority and responsibility and is also the one
who reports to the board, but the power of the PMC is in the
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> I think that Nicola Ken Coar would do a fine job as PMC Chair. ;-)
heh!
> Ok, name games aside, I honestly don't know if Ken or Nicola Ken have any
> substantively different views on what should happen with Incubator.
what should happen, or what it should do? i don't
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
...
Ok, name games aside, I honestly don't know if Ken or Nicola Ken have any
substantively different views on what should happen with Incubator.
From what I gather, Ken Coar is probably the one on the Incubator PMC
that has more similar views to mine. On the whole though,
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:18:16 -0400
(Subject: RE: [VOTE] New Chair (Re: cvs commit : incubator STATUS))
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that Nicola Ken Coar would do a fine job as PMC Chair. ;-)
;-)
> Ok, name games aside, I honestly don't kno
I think that Nicola Ken Coar would do a fine job as PMC Chair. ;-)
Ok, name games aside, I honestly don't know if Ken or Nicola Ken have any
substantively different views on what should happen with Incubator. If they
think so, I would be interested to hear them. Generally, I think that
either K
== == == == == == == == == == == == == ==
Note:
"Who is Nicola Ken Barozzi?"
... http://www.apache.org/~nicolaken/
... http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html
"Who is Ken Coar?"
... http://www.apache.org/~coar/
... http://ken.coar.org/
"Who is Paul Hammant?"
... http://www.apache.org/~
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 10:05 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:15:43 -0400
Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 09:14 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata
wrote:
I'd like to put my sincere plus one as the New Chair of
the Apache Incubator
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:15:43 -0400
Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 09:14 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> > I'd like to put my sincere plus one as the New Chair of
> > the Apache Incubator Project To
> >
> > [ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi
> > [ ] Ken Coar
>
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 09:14 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
I'd like to put my sincere plus one as the New Chair of
the Apache Incubator Project To
[ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi
[ ] Ken Coar
[ ] Paul Hammant
?? :)
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