Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1

2012-05-02 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >if IBM (and Rob) know of an IP issue in the code base This is not a _if_ there is an affirmative public statement by Rob that this the case >  The fact that there has been no such revelation has to be sufficient at this > point. But t

Re: Legal question about (re)licensing

2012-05-02 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > > > >> PS: the specific svn revisions here are not the central point, the >> point is the lack of any discussion/scrutiny on any of these followed >> by the

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1

2012-05-01 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I have no reason to believe that the remediation Rob speaks of has anything > to do with any part of OpenOffice.org. You mean except for Rob's own statement ? "But one thing not to lose track of is that Symphony has done IP remediatio

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1

2012-05-01 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > @Norbert, > > I don't see any mention of patent issues in that message. it says: "But one thing not to lose track of is that Symphony has done IP remediation at many levels. Where we've worked around things, we'll be able to contribute

Re: Legal question about (re)licensing

2012-05-01 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > > I think you are just trying to find some silly excuse to complain > about code that *you* clearly didn't write or own. All the code > either from version control or bugzilla was provided by Oracle That is not what was said in the ooo-dev l

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1

2012-05-01 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
I trust that the Patent issues raised by Rob Weir on this mailing-list in http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/%3cof1a1f1f97.0ba57c1e-on852578a4.004ec606-852578a4.004fc...@lotus.com%3E have been disclosed and addressed to the satisfaction of the IPMC ? Norbert

Re: Legal question about (re)licensing

2012-05-01 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > On 05/01/12 12:20, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> For larger contributions, an ICLA (or an SGA) is in order.  Ditto for >>> smaller ones, if there are questions/concerns.  Remember, any >&

Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-07 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: [...] their downstream code cannot be used.  Hence, the best outcome under the current licensing regime is for all core development to be done here, and for TDF to be a downstream consumer. Just because you choose a particular license that d

Re: A little OOo history

2011-06-07 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 6/7/2011 3:17 PM, Simon Brouwer wrote: >> The OpenOffice.org installation packages contain code from a considerable >> number of >> "external" libraries (i.e. third party ones that are developed in their own >> projects, not >> copy

Re: Legal concern: Are we getting to close ot a "division of markets" conversation?

2011-06-05 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > The problem here is that Rob and Sam and other well-known employees are being > addressed as IBM employees here I perceive Sam answers and arguments to be consistent with the 'I am an individual member of Apache' position. I may disagr

Re: Legal concern: Are we getting to close ot a "division of markets" conversation?

2011-06-05 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:08 PM, wrote: > But I am very very very concerned that this conversation is starting to > cross over into a "division of market" conversation, which has stiff > penalties under US and international competition law.  Open source work, > like standards, is work done volunta

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-04 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > I can see why some might read into those statements implications that > probably were not intended. That is the problem with perspectives :-) I used these quote to illustrate that and to put that in parallel with the complaint about Michael Meeks

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-04 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:52:48AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: >> >> Hmm, got that wrong I see now >> http://www.networkworld.com/community/apache-president-jim-jagielski-talks-openoffice-org >> >> Which is no problem for me, but obviously I misun

Re: Blondie's Parallel Lines...

2011-06-03 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:25 PM, wrote: > Cor Nouws wrote on 06/03/2011 06:14:56 PM: > >> I would love to see all work in one big project - read all my pleas in >> the OpenOffice.org time. But reality tells me that is not going to > happen. >> > > I would like to see this as well, everyone workin

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-03 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > This is why, inside the ASF, we expect individuals to represent the > communities interests not their commercial or their employers interests. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not underst

Re: Blondie's Parallel Lines... numerically ...

2011-06-02 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:07 PM, wrote: > Michael Meeks wrote on 06/02/2011 08:57:27 PM: > >> >> -    $scripts_dir/merge-log -p LIBREOFFICE_CREATE.. >$outdir/all-lo.log >> +    $scripts_dir/merge-log --all --since='2011-01-03' >>$outdir/all-lo.log >> >>    Show 'active' contributors by affiliati