Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

> On Jan 7, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > > What has changed in the > last year and a half is that we no longer ignore it when podlings fail to > report -- we put them into "monthly" and review the situation month to month. > Between that and requiring Mentor checkoff, we'll notice

What is "The Apache Way"?

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > Some podlings are graduating w/ no clear understanding of the Apache Way. What is "The Apache Way"? No one can say. There is no bounded set of expectations that an Apache project must fulfill. Where do Apache's official policies begin

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > We do have problems; see above. To address our problems, I advocate incremental, reversible changes and controlled experiments. > With that said, my proposal is not a radical overhaul. There are parts of it I can get behind. Taken toge

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

+1 I would recommend to remove that particular line about mentor staying as mentor sake. Either mentors join in as full fledge PMC (and as committer) or not at all. - Henry On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 07.01.2015 22:45, Henry Saputra wrote: >> If a mentor asked to st

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

On 07.01.2015 22:45, Henry Saputra wrote: > If a mentor asked to stay as PMC after graduation just for the sake of > continue mentoring, then I would argue that the podling was not ready for graduation. A graduated TLP inviting the former mentor to the PMC is a different matter, but then the IPMC

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

Alan, thanks for the clarification. I agree that this is in the context of podling/ incubator projects. - Henry On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > >> On Jan 7, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Henry Saputra wrote: >> >> One wording that could confuse people: >> "after which they are remo

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

> On Jan 7, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Henry Saputra wrote: > > One wording that could confuse people: > "after which they are removed from the PMC unless they are committers." > > If someone already a PMC, he or she is also a committer. In ASF a > committer is someone who can commit code into the repos

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

One wording that could confuse people: "after which they are removed from the PMC unless they are committers." If someone already a PMC, he or she is also a committer. In ASF a committer is someone who can commit code into the repository. If a mentor asked to stay as PMC after graduation just for

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

> On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > >> The Incubator has made important progress. I want to quickly acknowledge that we have made immense, immense, progress thanks in no small part to our IPMC chairs over the years. A lot of hard work was done and that produced very good

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

> On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > >> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal > > From that page: > >People who wish to become mentors that are not in the IPMC must be a >novice mentor, who

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal >From that page: People who wish to become mentors that are not in the IPMC must be a novice mentor, whose mentorship is not counted as an active mentor, for at least one

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

> On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Upayavira wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015, at 06:46 PM, jan i wrote: >> On 7 January 2015 at 19:32, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: >> >>> On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > I’ve writte

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015, at 06:46 PM, jan i wrote: > On 7 January 2015 at 19:32, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > > > > > > On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > >> I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

> On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:46 AM, jan i wrote: > > On 7 January 2015 at 19:32, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > >> >>> On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: >>> >>> On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold >> men

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

On 7 January 2015 at 19:32, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > > On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > > > > On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > >> I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold > mentors accountable but also give them a fair bit of autonom

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

> On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > > On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: >> I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold >> mentors accountable but also give them a fair bit of autonomous authority >> during releases. >> >> https://wiki.apac

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold > mentors accountable but also give them a fair bit of autonomous authority > during releases. > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal >

proposal: mentor re-boot

I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold mentors accountable but also give them a fair bit of autonomous authority during releases. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal What we would gain i