Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Dave Fisher
On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:17 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Upayavira wrote: >> ...Simple rule. If mentors don't sign two reports in a row, >> shepherd checks they are subscribed to the dev list, and then contacts >> them asking if they still want to be involved. I

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-25 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > So I am proposing now to reconsider Joes original proposal and change our > community voting to a majority voting unless we restructure the IPMC. +1 for majority voting on personnel issues for the IPMC. I'm also fine with requiring a

Re: [VOTE] Accept Falcon into the Apache Incubator (was originally named Ivory)

2013-03-25 Thread Leif Hedstrom
On Mar 20, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Srikanth Sundarrajan wrote: [ ] +1 Accept Apache Falcon into the Incubator [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't accept Apache Falcon into the Incubator because... +1. Binding. -- Leif - To unsubsc

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-25 Thread Andy Seaborne
On 25/03/13 08:41, ant elder wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Upayavira wrote: Now, you might argue that mentoring is a lot more than voting, but we could create another bottleneck in getting release votes through, requiring votes from incubator PMC members who are not particularly foc

Re: [VOTE] Accept Falcon into the Apache Incubator (was originally named Ivory)

2013-03-25 Thread Samarth Gupta
> +1 (non-binding) < On Mar 20, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Srikanth Sundarrajan wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for participating in the proposal discussion on Falcon > (formerly Ivory). I'd like to call a VOTE for acceptance of Apache > Falcon into the Incubator. I'll let the vote run till (Tue 3/

Re: [VOTE] Accept Falcon into the Apache Incubator (was originally named Ivory)

2013-03-25 Thread Samarth Gupta
+ 1 non biding On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Idris Ali wrote: > >+1 (non-binding) < > > > Hi, > > > > Thanks for participating in the proposal discussion on Falcon > > (formerly Ivory). I'd like to call a VOTE for acceptance of Apache > > Falcon into the Incubator. I'll let t

Re: [VOTE] Accept Falcon into the Apache Incubator (was originally named Ivory)

2013-03-25 Thread Idris Ali
>+1 (non-binding) < > Hi, > > Thanks for participating in the proposal discussion on Falcon > (formerly Ivory). I'd like to call a VOTE for acceptance of Apache > Falcon into the Incubator. I'll let the vote run till (Tue 3/26 6pm IST). > > [ ] +1 Accept Apache Falcon into the Inc

Re: [VOTE] Accept Falcon into the Apache Incubator (was originally named Ivory)

2013-03-25 Thread Shwetha GS
+1 (non-binding) On Mar 20, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Srikanth Sundarrajan wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for participating in the proposal discussion on Falcon > (formerly Ivory). I'd like to call a VOTE for acceptance of Apache > Falcon into the Incubator. I'll let the vote run till (Tue 3/26 6pm IST). > > [

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > ...We also have 172 IPMC members to date (according committer index). > Most of the people are not seen often; we have many awol mentors. > Currently becoming an IPMC member is necessary to become a Mentor. It > always felt wrong t

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Upayavira wrote: > ...Simple rule. If mentors don't sign two reports in a row, > shepherd checks they are subscribed to the dev list, and then contacts > them asking if they still want to be involved. If they don't answer, > then the shepherd goes to the podling pr

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-25 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Upayavira wrote: > > Now, you might argue that mentoring is a lot more than voting, but we > could create another bottleneck in getting release votes through, > requiring votes from incubator PMC members who are not particularly > focused on the podling. > Thats

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-25 Thread Upayavira
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 07:52 AM, ant elder wrote: > On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > following a thread on private@, I would like to bring the discussion > > on how we vote on nominated IPMC members. > > > > We had the case were one person was nomin

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Matthias Friedrich wrote: > On Monday, 2013-03-25, Alex Karasulu wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz < >> bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > [...] >>> IMO it's the podlings who need to make sure they have enough mentor >>> energy available

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-25 Thread ant elder
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Hi, > > following a thread on private@, I would like to bring the discussion > on how we vote on nominated IPMC members. > > We had the case were one person was nominated and received three +1. > Another voter had concerns an voted -1.

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Upayavira
Exactly. Simple rule. If mentors don't sign two reports in a row, shepherd checks they are subscribed to the dev list, and then contacts them asking if they still want to be involved. If they don't answer, then the shepherd goes to the podling private list, and tells them that mentor x is not respo

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Ted Dunning
Yeah... the question of how much mentoring is kind of one of those things that mentors should advise on. Hmm... there's a problem. This is one place that the shepherds really, really can come in handy for. Likewise, simple hurdles like "all mentors have to sign off every report" help highlight p

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Matthias Friedrich
On Monday, 2013-03-25, Alex Karasulu wrote: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: [...] >> IMO it's the podlings who need to make sure they have enough mentor >> energy available - they are best placed to judge that, and delegating >> that to th