Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 23:53, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people >> lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto >> authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this >> PMC.

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Dave Fisher
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:47 PM, "William A. Rowe Jr." wrote: > On 1/30/2012 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:34 PM, "William A. Rowe Jr." >> wrote: >> >>> On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: It is clear that

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > - Original Message - > >> From: William A. Rowe Jr. >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes >> >> On 1/30/2012 7:51 PM, Joe Sch

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > This is getting sillier by the moment... I don't care for these kinds of statements. Please try to keep the conversation civil. Regards, Alan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: g

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Alan D . Cabrera
On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people > lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto > authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this > PMC. Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel > v

[VOTE] Apache Lucy (incubating) 0.3.0 RC 1

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Karman
Peter Karman wrote on 1/30/12 8:51 PM: > Apache Lucy PPMC vote thread: > > http://s.apache.org/uot > > +1 Marvin Humphrey*+ > +1 Peter Karman* > +1 Chris Mattmann*+ > +1 Chris Hostetter*+ > +1 David E. Wheeler* > +1 Dan Markham* > > * indicates Lucy PPMC member >

[VOTE] Apache Lucy (incubating) 0.3.0 RC 1

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Karman
Hello, Release candidate 1 for Apache Lucy (incubating) version 0.3.0 can be found at: http://people.apache.org/~karpet/apache-lucy-incubating-0.3.0-rc1/ See the CHANGES file at the top level of the archive for information about the content of this release. This candidate was assembled acco

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - > From: William A. Rowe Jr. > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes > > On 1/30/2012 7:51 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> - Original Message - >> >>> From: W

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/30/2012 7:51 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > - Original Message - > >> From: William A. Rowe Jr. >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes >> >> On 1/30/2012 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - > From: William A. Rowe Jr. > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes > > On 1/30/2012 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 30,

Re: Q: including notice for binary release of artifacts that are brought in via Maven?

2012-01-30 Thread Jakob Homan
Jukka- Great, thanks. Using this method, I get a file layout similar to: giraph-0.1-SNAPSHOT-bin.tar.gz NOTICE (without appended text for dep1 and dep2) LICENSE (without appended text for dep1 and dep2) bin/ lib/ dep1.jar dep2.jar giraph.jar

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/30/2012 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:34 PM, "William A. Rowe Jr." > wrote: > >> On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>> It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people >>> lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of hav

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/30/2012 7:41 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Lemme get this straight: a person who makes a class-action > veto against a whole swath of people should have those votes > upheld to protect that person from the tyranny of the majority? No. Joe, take a break. Then come back, and reread both threads,

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Dave Fisher
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:34 PM, "William A. Rowe Jr." wrote: > On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people >> lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto >> authority over personnel matters makes little s

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Joe Schaefer
Lemme get this straight: a person who makes a class-action veto against a whole swath of people should have those votes upheld to protect that person from the tyranny of the majority? This is getting sillier by the moment... - Original Message - > From: William A. Rowe Jr. > To: genera

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people > lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto > authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this > PMC. Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel > votes are

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Greg Stein
+1 I've never liked vetoes for this. One person can hold an entire PMC hostage simply for disliking someone (or worse: subtle corporate concerns masked otherwise). People have said in the past, "you should have veto so you're not forced to work with somebody you dislike." I respond, "grow up. we w

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Chris Douglas
+1 -C On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > +1 from me. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:07 PM, "Joe Schaefer" wrote: > >> It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people >> lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto >> autho

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
+1 from me. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:07 PM, "Joe Schaefer" wrote: > It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people > lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto > authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this > PMC. Therefore I propose we

[DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Joe Schaefer
It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this PMC.  Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel votes are by straight majority consensus, iow no vetoes allowe

RE: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> > I need to say that your [Jukka] work here is great. Thanks. +1 > one doesn't need to be a PMC chair to invest some time in podling review and > followup. :-) :-) --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubs

[ANNOUNCE] Apache Rave 0.7-INCUBATING Release

2012-01-30 Thread Matt Franklin
The Apache Rave (Incubating) team is pleased to announce the immediate availability of the Rave 0.7-INCUBATING Alpha release. Apache Rave is a new web and social mashup engine. It will provide an out-of-the-box, as well as extendible, lightweight Java platform to host, serve and manage OpenSocial,

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Andy Seaborne
On 30/01/12 17:32, Jukka Zitting wrote: Jena When can I vote on your graduation? Jena's report is already signed off on the wiki: [*] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012 "The project is discussing graduation. Plan: * Graduation preparation (checking, drafting the scope/ch

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > what you currently do in the incubator is just an amazing job. I would > have nominated you for serving as an incubator chair, but it seems > another project has already got you. As I can not nominate you, I need > to say that your

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: >>> VCL >> >> What's the status with the issue of university approval of the CLAs? > > Brain freeze on my part.  What issue are you speaking of? >From the November report (http://wiki.

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: >> VCL > > What's the status with the issue of university approval of the CLAs? Brain freeze on my part. What issue are you speaking of? > How diverse is your currently active committer-base? It's improving. A new committer was added a few w

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Jukka, what you currently do in the incubator is just an amazing job. I would have nominated you for serving as an incubator chair, but it seems another project has already got you. As I can not nominate you, I need to say that your work here is great. Thanks. Cheers Christian On Mon, Jan 30, 2

Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, The deadline for podlings to submit their February reports is already in two days since the ASF board meeting is scheduled for Feb 15th. I spent a few moments reviewing the November reports and related information of all the projects scheduled to report in February (excluding new projects on

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Jukka Zitting wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 17:20:41 +0100: > Their next status report is due in March; looking forward > to a summary then. They're free to send an out-of-cycle report in February if they want to... - To unsubs

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, Some further followup on this. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: >>> 2008-08-19 PhotArk >> >> S: Zero recent activity. >> R: Terminate. > > I contacted photark-dev

Re: list of mentors: accumulo, chukwa, s4

2012-01-30 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Done. Thanks for catching this! Regards, Alan On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:58 PM, David Crossley wrote: > Alan D. Cabrera wrote: >> Not sure that I understand your statement. The site was updated, no? > > This page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html > is generated from site-author/pod

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > I'll see if I can come up with a patch with edits along the lines > described above. See [1] for a proposed patch, and [2] for the output. My idea is to collect the points about the rationale of the guide up into the introduction sect

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:29 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Ate Douma wrote: >> ...I just realize something not clear from this proposal: are we *only* >> talking >> about the Incubator PMC Chair here, or is this a proposal for every PMC >> Chair? >> I presumed

RE: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
>-Original Message- >From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] >Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:21 AM >To: general@incubator.apache.org >Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair > >On 30 January 2012 13:00, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: >>>-Original Message-

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Ross Gardler
On 30 January 2012 13:01, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Leo Simons wrote: >> Hey Robert, > > Leo :-) > > (Great to hear from you again) > >> Thanks for this; it was obviously a lot of work! > > A parting gift to the Incubator :-) As a parting gift to you then..

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Ross Gardler
On 30 January 2012 13:00, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] >>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:30 AM >>To: general@incubator.apache.org >>Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair >> >>On Mon, Jan 30, 201

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Leo Simons wrote: > Hey Robert, Leo :-) (Great to hear from you again) > Thanks for this; it was obviously a lot of work! A parting gift to the Incubator :-) Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

RE: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
>-Original Message- >From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] >Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:30 AM >To: general@incubator.apache.org >Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair > >On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Ate Douma wrote: >> ...I just realize somethin

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Ate Douma wrote: > ...I just realize something not clear from this proposal: are we *only* > talking > about the Incubator PMC Chair here, or is this a proposal for every PMC > Chair? > I presumed (and propose) the latter, but maybe that wasn't the intend (yet)..

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Leo Simons
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Ralph Goers > wrote: >> On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: >>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Alan D. Cabrera >>> wrote: On Jan 29, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Ate Douma wrote: >

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Ate Douma
On 01/30/2012 10:17 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 30 January 2012 09:11, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: ...2) Fixed election schedule: On some schedule (e.g. annually), nominations are opened, including potentially the current chair, and a vot

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Leo Simons
Hey Robert, Thanks for this; it was obviously a lot of work! I like the word picks, flow and style of this guide a lot. There's a lot to read here and some new stuff to learn for me -- I confess I've been ignoring as much about trademarks as I can until a time comes up when I actually have a need

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Ross Gardler
On 30 January 2012 09:11, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> ...2) Fixed election schedule: On some schedule (e.g. annually), >> nominations are opened, including potentially the current chair, and a >> vote takes place... > > +1 to this op

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > ...2) Fixed election schedule: On some schedule (e.g. annually), > nominations are opened, including potentially the current chair, and a > vote takes place... +1 to this option. -Bertrand ---

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:31:50 +: >> Brand would be satisfied by - say - a profession trademark search > > [citation needed] I'm not will to cite out of context. Please read all the archives. Robert --

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:33:38 +: >> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Shahaf >> wrote: >> > Jukka Zitting wrote on Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 23:47:38 +0100: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:33:38 +: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Shahaf > wrote: > > Jukka Zitting wrote on Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 23:47:38 +0100: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > >> wrote: > >> > Please note

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:31:50 +: > Brand would be satisfied by - say - a profession trademark search [citation needed] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For addi

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote on Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 23:47:38 +0100: >> Hi, >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin >> wrote: >> > Please note that I didn't invent this process. I would have preferred >> > something much simpler

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> Please note that I didn't invent this process. I would have preferred >> something much simpler. I just documented the recommendations of the >> brand team. > > Was