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> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes
> 
> On 1/30/2012 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>  On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:34 PM, "William A. Rowe Jr." 
> <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>  On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>>>  It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people
>>>>  lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto
>>>>  authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this
>>>>  PMC.  Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel
>>>>  votes are by straight majority consensus, iow no vetoes allowed.
>>> 
>>>  -1
>>> 
>>>  The argument is very simple, you don't allow a simple majority to
>>>  tyrannize the minority.  So the ASF has long held a simple standard
>>>  of consensus on all committee additions and subtractions.  Some
>>>  majority might be irked at [insert name here]'s [actions|inaction|
>>>  comments|silence] but that was never grounds to remove a committee
>>>  member.  If you want to propose some supermajority metric other than
>>>  "unanimous", that could work (e.g. 2/3 or 3/4 in agreement
>> 
>>  In your plan then a -1 is really a -2 or -3?
>> 
>>  Sounds like a filibuster...
> 
> No, I'm -1 to this proposal.  I'd support his proposal if it were
> modified to provide for a measurable super-majority consensus.

Define supermajority in a way that isn't patently absurd and perhaps
I'll consider amending it.

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