Re: Suspending Projects

2009-02-17 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >> The inertia is enormous, and I personally think that only a drastic, >> disruptive change of the codebase (i.e. a ver 3.0, similar to what Roy >> was talking about @ AC-EU-2

Re: Suspending Projects

2009-02-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jukka Zitting > wrote: > >> River is another long-term incubating project that seems to have lost >> its energy. However, there's still some remaining activity and as a >> mentor I'm putting some effort th

Re: Suspending Projects

2009-02-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: >> >>> IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings. >>> Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term inactive >>> podlings should

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: >> Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least > 4 >> > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed >> > suspension. Having re

Re: Suspending Projects

2009-02-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > >> IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings. >> Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term inactive >> podlings should just be archived into an Attic. > > IMO, you seem to have latch

Re: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-17 Thread David Crossley
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > > > > I had asked Dave if he would work on [a Marvin-like script], but I don't > know that anything > > > got finished. Anyone want to take a shot at it? > > > > Upayavira suggested something useful in another thread.

Re: remember when each project report is due

2009-02-17 Thread David Crossley
Upayavira wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > Upayavira wrote: > > > David Crossley wrote: > > > > > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html > > > > > > Could clutch in some way be used to mimic Marvin for the Incubator? > > > > > > I for one would really appreciate an email each month sayi

Re: Suspending Projects

2009-02-17 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > >> IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings. >> Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term inactive >> podlings should just be archived into an Attic. > > IMO, you seem to have latc

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-17 Thread Martin Cooper
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin < robertburrelldon...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2/16/09, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least > 4 > > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > > suspe

Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-17 Thread Richard S. Hall
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Re: Are binding votes necessary for Committer -> PPMC?

2009-02-17 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > No. The PPMC is an Incubator artifact, and has no standing within the ASF. > Binding (PMC) votes are required for such things as Committer and Release. Great, thanks. -Matthias > >--- Noel > > > >

RE: Suspending Projects

2009-02-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > IMO suspension is the wrong way to handle inactive podlings. > Suspension implies fault and punishment. Long term inactive > podlings should just be archived into an Attic. IMO, you seem to have latched onto the wrong definition of the word suspend, which has multip

RE: Are binding votes necessary for Committer -> PPMC?

2009-02-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
No. The PPMC is an Incubator artifact, and has no standing within the ASF. Binding (PMC) votes are required for such things as Committer and Release. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apa

RE: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP

2009-02-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, > > I am r

RE: What should be the consequences of missing required Incubator Reports?

2009-02-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Craig Russell wrote: > I believe that while a podling is getting organized (first three > months) it's unlikely that they will "get" reporting, and during that > time, the mentors must step up and show the way. But does that mean advising & assisting, or doing the work? --- Noel smime.p

Re: Suspending Projects

2009-02-17 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > River is another long-term incubating project that seems to have lost > its energy. However, there's still some remaining activity and as a > mentor I'm putting some effort there, hoping to achieve a similar > revival as we've seen in PDFBox

Re: Suspending Projects

2009-02-17 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > I have put XAP's status to a vote. What others do people feel should be > considered? I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors and > the Community as a whole. I'm not a mentor of Lokahi, but I hang around there. The

Re: Are binding votes necessary for Committer -> PPMC?

2009-02-17 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: > As far as I know, binding votes are necessary for to The ASF legally > binding issues: committers, PMC membership and releases. So when a > podling has voted in a Committer, and the Incubator PMC has ack'd the > Committer, are binding vot

Are binding votes necessary for Committer -> PPMC?

2009-02-17 Thread Martijn Dashorst
As far as I know, binding votes are necessary for to The ASF legally binding issues: committers, PMC membership and releases. So when a podling has voted in a Committer, and the Incubator PMC has ack'd the Committer, are binding votes necessary for the podling's decision to make a Committer a membe