Re: REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members

2006-10-12 Thread Niall Pemberton
+1 (non-binding) Niall On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Based upon all of the discussion, I'll pose the following as what I hope is an agreeable solution: -- The Champion shall work with the incoming community to identify the initial committers. The

Re: "svn: Inconsistent line ending style" when trying to update site-publish?

2006-10-12 Thread Niall Pemberton
On 10/12/06, Gwyn Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I did, but the ibatis.html file at least, appears to have that property set, as does my SVN client! Generated files cause this, same issue occurs with the Apache site: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-881 Theres a solution on the

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Oct 12, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Jeremy Boynes wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: The Mentors can and should engage the community on best practices. When the Incubator PMC is presented with a release to approve, we ought to focus on actual requirements, such as: Licensin

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 10/12/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Garrett Rooney wrote: > > On a sort of related note, are the membership lists of the various > PPMCs actually documented anywhere? I mean is there a PPMC version of > committee-info.txt like there is for PMCs? Hopefully projects are m

Re: "svn: Inconsistent line ending style" when trying to update site-publish?

2006-10-12 Thread Gwyn Evans
I did, but the ibatis.html file at least, appears to have that property set, as does my SVN client! /Gwyn On 12/10/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Read the last three paragraphs of the section http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html#https-svn We probably (I haven't looked

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Garrett Rooney wrote: > > On a sort of related note, are the membership lists of the various > PPMCs actually documented anywhere? I mean is there a PPMC version of > committee-info.txt like there is for PMCs? Hopefully projects are maintaining their root status files with this info http://incu

RE: "svn: Inconsistent line ending style" when trying to update site-publish?

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Read the last three paragraphs of the section http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html#https-svn We probably (I haven't looked) have files without the eol-style attribute, and there are likely committers who have not configured svn as described. --- Noel -

RE: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin wrote: > the reason i didn't +1 wasn't anything to do with the unpacking but > the fact that there are a lot of files without license headers and > so of dubious original. :-) > > what those actual requirements are should be documented so that the > > projects aren't surpri

RE: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jeremy Boynes wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > The Mentors can and should engage the community on best practices. > > When the Incubator PMC is presented with a release to approve, we > > ought to focus on actual requirements, such as: > > Licensing > > Notification > > Signing (if

Re: Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Endre, I think you are missing the community part of ASF. ASF is not a company, nor a big old business. It is a community with a variety of projects, and as such a variety of packaging demands and wishes. I like the idea of a (pretty) low bar entry to Apache where the only criteria are the ones

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Eelco Hillenius
> Imo ASF has enough written and unwritten rules. Following discussions > on this forum since a few weeks feels like making the transition from > a small young company to a large old one, where procedures and > politics are more prevalent than a more practical 'can do' spirit. It's also often the

"svn: Inconsistent line ending style" when trying to update site-publish?

2006-10-12 Thread Gwyn Evans
Hi, I've updated site-author/stylesheets/project.xml (to add Wicket to the list of projects,) and run ant but I'm having problems when I try & check-in the updated files in site-publish, in that I get the following sort of errors:- svn: File 'd:\Wicket\Apache\incubator\site-publish\projects\iba

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Endre Stølsvik
Eelco Hillenius wrote: On 10/12/06, Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Endre Stølsvik wrote: > >> My two (probably rather worthless) cents: > > Not at all worthless. What you posted is perfectly valid feedback, and > should be considered by projects. But does

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/12/06, Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yoav Shapira wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Can we agree that regardless of which style one might prefer the >> packaging, >> there are multiple valid approaches, and that this level of difference

RE: REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members

2006-10-12 Thread Recordon, David
Also having gone through this recently, +1 (non binding). It will however be really important that this policy is easy to find for someone looking to enter incubation as to make sure it is discussed with the champion. --David -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PRO

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Endre Stølsvik wrote: > My two (probably rather worthless) cents: Not at all worthless. What you posted is perfectly valid feedback, and should be considered by projects. But does it rise to the standard of needing to be enforced? IMO

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > robert burrell donkin wrote: > > the source distributions unpacks to the same directory as the binary. > > this is inconvenient for users. it's better to unpack the source to > > incubator-activemq-4.0.2-src. > I

Re: REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members

2006-10-12 Thread Martijn Dashorst
+1 (non binding) This sounds reasonable, and takes clearly into account the incoming community. Martijn On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Based upon all of the discussion, I'll pose the following as what I hope is an agreeable solution: -- The Champi

RE: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Garrett Rooney asked: > are the membership lists of the various PPMCs actually documented anywhere? They SHOULD be in the status file, but generally are not. Coincidentally, I had this very discussion with David Reid earlier in the week, and am looking forward to seeing his proposal for managing

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 10/12/06, Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Endre Stølsvik wrote: > >> My two (probably rather worthless) cents: > > Not at all worthless. What you posted is perfectly valid feedback, and > should be considered by projects. But does it rise to the standard of

Re: REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members

2006-10-12 Thread Jason van Zyl
+1 On 12 Oct 06, at 11:42 AM 12 Oct 06, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Based upon all of the discussion, I'll pose the following as what I hope is an agreeable solution: -- The Champion shall work with the incoming community to identify the initial committers. The Champion sh

Re: REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members

2006-10-12 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 (non-binding, but opinionated) Craig On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Based upon all of the discussion, I'll pose the following as what I hope is an agreeable solution: -- The Champion shall work with the incoming community to identify the in

RE: REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members

2006-10-12 Thread Newcomer, Eric
Having just been through it ;-) this sounds very reasonable to me. I am not sure the issue of emeritus committers needs to be addressed since that can be handled by the project once it's up and running... The main thing seems to be the clarification around the initial committer list and PPMC mem

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Oct 12, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The Mentors can and should engage the community on best practices. When the Incubator PMC is presented with a release to approve, we ought to focus on actual requirements, such as: Licensing Notification Signing

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Endre Stølsvik
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Endre Stølsvik wrote: My two (probably rather worthless) cents: Not at all worthless. What you posted is perfectly valid feedback, and should be considered by projects. But does it rise to the standard of needing to be enforced? In my opinion, yes. This is because

Re: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 10/10/06, Jean T. Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Given recent PPMC discussions on general@, it has been on my mind to add a section titled "Voting in a new PPMC member" to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html Brian McCallister and I chatted about this at the hackathon. Since havi

RE: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin wrote: > > > - the PPMC has no legal standing, so no need for board notification > i'm not sure about this. roy seems very convinced that PPMCs are > official committees. IMO, he's wrong. The Incubator PMC is the sole body recognized by the ASF's legal structure. The onl

RE: [doc] "How to add a PPMC member"

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jean T. Anderson wrote: > The suggested PPMC habit would be: > - vote in a new candidate Notify the Incubator PMC of the ongoing vote. > - ask for Incubator PMC acknowledgement ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Actually, IMO all that we really want is a notice, since the prior notice (above) would have allo

Re: REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members

2006-10-12 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 from me. -- dims On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Based upon all of the discussion, I'll pose the following as what I hope is an agreeable solution: -- The Champion shall work with the incoming community to identify the initial committers. The Ch

RE: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Endre Stølsvik wrote: > My two (probably rather worthless) cents: Not at all worthless. What you posted is perfectly valid feedback, and should be considered by projects. But does it rise to the standard of needing to be enforced? --- Noel ---

REVISED Policy on Initial Committer and PPMC members

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Based upon all of the discussion, I'll pose the following as what I hope is an agreeable solution: -- The Champion shall work with the incoming community to identify the initial committers. The Champion shall review each with the incoming community to justify each inclusion (

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Endre Stølsvik
Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can we agree that regardless of which style one might prefer the packaging, there are multiple valid approaches, and that this level of difference should not be a release criteria for the Incubator? Yes, agreed,

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can we agree that regardless of which style one might prefer the packaging, there are multiple valid approaches, and that this level of difference should not be a release criteria for the Incubator? Yes, agreed, +1. This is a technic

Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > robert burrell donkin wrote: > > the source distributions unpacks to the same directory as the binary. > > this is inconvenient for users. it's better to unpack the source to > > incubator-activemq-4.0.2-src. > I disagree with that. > I don't think there is a generally