On 4/22/05, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The three independent committers rule is an absolute minimum
> based on the legal fact that US employees are required to be
> loyal to their full-time employer *even* when we know the people
> involved are beyond question, independently minde
On 4/22/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe we should look for an additional metric for community health and
> diversity for next time. It could be in addition to the "rule of 3",
> but I think this example shows where we can improve things to help
> ensure healthy communiti
> Daniel John Debrunner wrote:
> > Pity my Derby internals proposal was rejected by Apachecon Europe :-)
> Would you consider doing it as a BOF if you will be there?
> I would like to attend it!
+1
--- Noel
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On Apr 22, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
I have no doubt that Derby can and will reach that level soon
while staying inside the incubator. Meanwhile, continued moves
to give Derby special treatment are NOT APPROPRIATE.
I don't think that there is a move to give "special treatment", at
Brian Behlendorf wrote:
> If there really is still just one outside committer, then in my opinion
> the community has not yet passed that test; and rather than coding,
> those who care about that project should be advocating its existance to
> others, giving presentations at conferences,
Pity my
On Apr 22, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Well... the three committer rule is (although there are exceptions
for corner cases...), but we have a bit of dissonance between how we
are defining "independent committer" here
(http://incubato
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Well... the three committer rule is (although there are exceptions for
corner cases...), but we have a bit of dissonance between how we are defining
"independent committer" here (http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/
Incubation_Policy.html#Minimu
Brian Behlendorf wrote:
It's not so much "dissonance" as an exception. In an incubating
project, the developers are usually new to the ASF, and skipped the
meritocracy step by virtue of association with the project before it
entered Apache ("here's the list of committers"). Therefore it's
reas
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
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> We have the same problems as Derby within the Jackrabbit project,
> though not only did we *start* with a far more diverse set of
> committers, we actively encouraged new folks to take responsibility
> for their own contributions. Nevertheless, it is quite clear to
On Apr 22, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
It's not so much "dissonance" as an exception. In an incubating
project, the developers are usually new to the ASF, and skipped the
meritocracy step by virtue of association with the project before it
entered Apache ("here's the list of commi
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
It's not so much "dissonance" as an exception. In an incubating
project, the developers are usually new to the ASF, and skipped the
meritocracy step by virtue of association with the project before it
entered Apache ("here's the list of committers"
On Apr 22, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
Here's an idea -- how about encouraging a couple Derby developers
to participate in Jackrabbit (it is a database API after
all) and then convince some of the Jackrabbit developers to
participate on performance tuning Derby when used within a CMS.
On Apr 22, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Daniel John Debrunner wrote:
I personally don't see this problem with Derby, all Derby design
decisions seem to be happening on the list. So I'm not sure if
Jackrabbit and Derby have the same problems.
How can you know? I know the amount of progress that we are
making
On Apr 22, 2005, at 2:16 PM, Daniel John Debrunner wrote:
Pity my Derby internals proposal was rejected by Apachecon Europe :-)
Would you consider doing it as a BOF if you will be there? I would like
to attend it!
-Brian
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On Apr 22, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
On 22-04-2005 13:47, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote:
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I'd love to see what some people think about the community - go look
at
the lists. That is what I looked at first, and it gav
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
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> I think it has a diverse community. However, I don't think we have any
> good way of measuring that, or if things like the following are
> quantitatively meaningful. We can look at dev mail list traffic, info
> taken from ey
On 22-04-2005 13:47, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote:
>> ...
> I'd love to see what some people think about the community - go look at
> the lists. That is what I looked at first, and it gave me confidence.
Derby seems to be doi
On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote:
On 4/18/05, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Brian Behlendorf wrote:
Wouldn't "how can we increase the number of new developers on Derby
while
still in incubation" a better question to ask?
I th
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