Re: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread B. W. Fitzpatrick
Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 23:39, B. W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > Or if it is an absolute requirement that we have the boxes then why > > > doesn't each member pitch in a 100 bucks and we'll buy some machines > > > instead of waiting for the tooth fairy to

Re: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 23:39, B. W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Or if it is an absolute requirement that we have the boxes then why > > doesn't each member pitch in a 100 bucks and we'll buy some machines > > instead of waiting for the tooth fairy to drop them in our lap. I'll > > donate a 100 bucks. >

RE: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "Roy T. Fielding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25/11/2003 11:22:49 AM: > > > Why do we need grand site publications schemes? Geronimo is using > > > Maven and it's trivial to site:deploy. > > > > Umm, it took three weeks to find someone capable of running site:deploy > >

Re: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread B. W. Fitzpatrick
Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 19:51, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > Cc'ing Stefano. I believe that part of it is happening in lenya land, but > > it terms of a build server, obviously it will need to be build tool agnosti > c > > so that maven, anakia, and other

RE: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 19:51, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Cc'ing Stefano. I believe that part of it is happening in lenya land, but > it terms of a build server, obviously it will need to be build tool agnostic > so that maven, anakia, and other tools can be be equally well used to deploy > sites. T

Re: Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-24 Thread aok123
Hello, There certainly is a vast amount of potential in a community wide effort. Personally, I'm interested in the potential for using directories to manage both sources and build artifacts particularly because of the ability to associate attributes with the items managed by the repository. W

Re: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread dion
"Roy T. Fielding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25/11/2003 11:22:49 AM: > > Why do we need grand site publications schemes? Geronimo is using Maven > > and it's trivial to site:deploy. > > Umm, it took three weeks to find someone capable of running site:deploy > for Geronimo. I think I was the t

Re: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread Roy T. Fielding
Why do we need grand site publications schemes? Geronimo is using Maven and it's trivial to site:deploy. Umm, it took three weeks to find someone capable of running site:deploy for Geronimo. I think I was the third person who tried (and failed). I think it would be better to build from CVS, but fo

RE: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> > But this really is an infrastructure issue, since that is from where the > > request comes. There are people, like Stefano, working to change the > > site publication system. I'm sure that your participation would be > > welcomed. > Where is this 'work' happening? > As someone vehemently op

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-24 Thread Stephen McConnell
Noel J. Bergman wrote: +1 if you mean to incubate a particular project, since it seems that you have a set of codebases and a community to start. However, unless it is willing to be more inclusive of other related projects, I don't think that it should be permitted to refer to itself as the Apac

RE: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-24 Thread dion
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25/11/2003 10:37:53 AM: > +1 if you mean to incubate a particular project, since it seems that you > have a set of codebases and a community to start. > > However, unless it is willing to be more inclusive of other related > projects, I don't think t

RE: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread dion
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25/11/2003 10:30:16 AM: > > Why are sites being forced to check in generated sites? > > Because that is what infrastructure has asked. The rest of your points are > all perfectly valid. My best understanding is summarized here: > > > http://nag

RE: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 19:11, Jason van Zyl wrote: > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 18:30, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > Why are sites being forced to check in generated sites? > > > > Because that is what infrastructure has asked. The rest of your points are > > all perfectly valid. My best understanding

RE: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 18:30, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Why are sites being forced to check in generated sites? > > Because that is what infrastructure has asked. The rest of your points are > all perfectly valid. My best understanding is summarized here: > > > http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrow

Re: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 18:25, Martin Cooper wrote: > "Jason van Zyl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Howdy, > > > > Why are sites being forced to check in generated sites? > > Because it's currently required. See: > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-common

RE: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
+1 if you mean to incubate a particular project, since it seems that you have a set of codebases and a community to start. However, unless it is willing to be more inclusive of other related projects, I don't think that it should be permitted to refer to itself as the Apache Repository project. I

RE: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Why are sites being forced to check in generated sites? Because that is what infrastructure has asked. The rest of your points are all perfectly valid. My best understanding is summarized here: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED] pache.org&msgNo=5207 But this really is an i

Re: Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread Martin Cooper
"Jason van Zyl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Howdy, > > Why are sites being forced to check in generated sites? Because it's currently required. See: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-commons-dev&m=106917796130227&w=2 The same discussion has been going on

Generated sites

2003-11-24 Thread Jason van Zyl
Howdy, Why are sites being forced to check in generated sites? That seems uneccessary given that the sources from which the site is being generated are kept in CVS. Even in the event of disaster it would take minutes in addition to whatever other recovery work was required in order to build the si

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-24 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Roy T. Fielding wrote: -1: Repo is an American colloquialism that is short for "Repossession", which is not something you want in a distribution tool. You need to find a neutral name. Ha, this is the second time I come up with a name that has a "second" meaning in American. I had already

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-24 Thread Adam R. B. Jack
> -1: Repo is an American colloquialism that is short for "Repossession", > which is not something you want in a distribution tool. You need > to find a neutral name. Ok, let's put the name as a "to be determined". regards Adam -

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-24 Thread Nick Chalko
I am fine with calling it Apache Repository . Roy T. Fielding wrote: -1: Repo is an American colloquialism that is short for "Repossession", which is not something you want in a distribution tool. You need to find a neutral name. Roy -

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-24 Thread Roy T. Fielding
-1: Repo is an American colloquialism that is short for "Repossession", which is not something you want in a distribution tool. You need to find a neutral name. Roy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For addi

Re: Add 'practice' PMC structure to projects in incubation

2003-11-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Nov 23, 2003, at 10:10 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: There is only one thing that would *really* change and that has not been done till now. Committers could be given commit access long before having project member status, and would thus be able to commit but not vote. This makes it possible

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-24 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 from me. -- dims --- Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some weeks ago I have talked about incubating Apache Repo, a project for > an implementation and feedback of/to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the > meantime we have contacted others that we thought would be interested, > and upda

[VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-24 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Some weeks ago I have talked about incubating Apache Repo, a project for an implementation and feedback of/to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the meantime we have contacted others that we thought would be interested, and updated the proposal. This is the final proposal I ask the Incubator Project to vote

[HEADS UP] Changes to the CVS avail file

2003-11-24 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
The avail file did not reflect what have to be the correct access to the Incubator Project CVS resources, and I have thus changed it. Here is an explanation of the access now is: 1 - All Incubator Project PMC members have full access to all the CVS repositories of the project, *including*

Re: Add 'practice' PMC structure to projects in incubation

2003-11-24 Thread Leo Simons
Noel made an interesting suggestion on the PMC list: --- Alternatively, the PPMC could consist of the Incubator PMC, the destination PMC (in cases where there is one), and project Committers. In that case, there is a single streamlined process, without additional interconnects. This does have the

Re: Add 'practice' PMC structure to projects in incubation

2003-11-24 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Leo Simons wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Committers could be given commit access long before having project member status, and would thus be able to commit but not vote. This makes it possible to keep a high bar for membership of the project but a lower bar for committing. Is this possible

Re: Add 'practice' PMC structure to projects in incubation

2003-11-24 Thread Leo Simons
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Committers could be given commit access long before having project member status, and would thus be able to commit but not vote. This makes it possible to keep a high bar for membership of the project but a lower bar for committing. Is this possible/wanted? I think I

Re: Add 'practice' PMC structure to projects in incubation

2003-11-24 Thread Roy T. Fielding
Secondly, given the original intent of the concept of a PMC, I am curious as to why the board permitted umbrella PMCs such as XML and Jakarta. The board did not create umbrella PMCs -- XML was Xerces and Jakarta was Tomcat/Watchdog. They grew beyond that because their names implied more, and nob