gEDA-user: New layer selector to play with (git preview)

2011-08-23 Thread Andrew Poelstra
Hey all, The new gtk layer selector is finished for most uses now. If you want to play with it before it's ready to be published (which is a few days away still), you can get it here: git://wpsoftware.net/pcb-andrew.git branch: layersel TODO: - can't change colors - I'd like to add a co

Re: gEDA-user: slotting question

2011-08-23 Thread Dave McGuire
On 08/22/2011 07:45 AM, Kovacs Levente wrote: I open up a new schematic, place two instances of 7404-1, edit the attributes of the second one, promote the "slot" attribute, edit the newly-accessible one, change it to "2", save it, save the sheet, exit gschem, restart, and load the sheet. I

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread DJ Delorie
> I can only see one sketch of a milestone, called "Next Feature > Release". You're not also checking the bug tracker, though. It *also* has tags for next/future bug/feature releases. So there are four "milestones" coming up, with the next empty one being "next incompatible release". The next

Re: gEDA-user: Is it required to use hierarchy for multi-page schematics ?

2011-08-23 Thread DJ Delorie
> I wouldn't know how to tell PCB that it should look at several > schematics for the import action. Maybe, DJ can add a comment. Layout-level Attributes: import::src0 = file1.sch import::src1 = file2.sch etc It's documented in the Import() action in pcb.pdf. _

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-23 Thread DJ Delorie
> It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode > should be pin 1. Welcome back to the transistor problem :-P > I've also noticed that gschem searches the older m4 library first ahead > of the new pcblib. Is there a way to get PCB to use the newlib first? Probably. I've b

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-23 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Peter Clifton wrote: > Even conversion of old legacy Altium designs could be done given access ^ Is this a serious restriction? Would it be possible for a user of a current altium license to export to this "old legacy" format? > to known sample files and de

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-23 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Jared Casper wrote: >> I believe the KiCAD folks are also looking at this. >> -John >> >> > Indeed. The posts to the list that I woke up to this morning took a > frighteningly KiCad-centric turn. > Well, this is, because apparently one of the kicad developers showed up. Is any of the geda d

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: > I put a master roadmap here: > > http://geda.seul.org/wiki/pcb:roadmap IMHO, a roadmap contains a sequence of milestones, each of which encompasses clearly defined sub goals. I can only see one sketch of a milestone, called "Next Feature Release". What comes next and therea

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary

2011-08-23 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Colin D Bennett wrote: >> "mask" has nowhere near the same information content. IMHO, it >> is not worth the space savings. Maybe "s.mask" would be better? > > Perhaps it would be best to make the displayed name of the solder mask > layer a user preference. +1 Just treat it as any other layer

Re: gEDA-user: How to do PCB Autorouting with non-plated holes

2011-08-23 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Cory Papenfuss wrote: > I thought about that... making different footprints that don't > have copper on the component side of the pins. Since that would require > making new footprints for pretty much everything, Well, you could do the heavy lifting with an awk script: If the current line i

Re: gEDA-user: Is it required to use hierarchy for multi-page schematics ?

2011-08-23 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Dan Roganti wrote: > I'm trying to find more info about using mulit-page schematics for gEDA > Is it required to use hierarchy for multi-page schematics or can I just > continue adding pages in the design ? If you just add pages, you have to list all of them in the gsch2pcb project file. That way

gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-23 Thread Matthew Lewis
I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather nasty gotcha. It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode should be pin 1. Gschem views pin 1 as the anode and PCB considers pin 1 to be the cathode. It doesn't prevent you from laying out a board correctly,

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Colin D Bennett wrote: > It would be great if the gtk GUI could provide some options to increase > available screen space -- perhaps a command to show/hide the left-side > tool and layer palette bar, and even an auto-hide feature that would > show the tool/layer bar only when the mouse moved to th

Re: gEDA-user: some pcb patches...

2011-08-23 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: > Spent some time this week on pushing/fixing LP patches... > > LP 699291 - Silk lines were created with the FOUND flag if auto-DRC is on > Nice to see this long term annoyance go for good :-) Thank you for fixing! ---<)kaiamrtin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak

Re: gEDA-user: SDB HOWTO vs Circuit Simulation HOWTO

2011-08-23 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Vladimir Zhbanov wrote: > What do you think of it? > Go for it. One howto is enough. ---<)kaiamrtin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover h

Re: gEDA-user: viewing side vs. layers

2011-08-23 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Levente Kovacs wrote: > You see your board from component side, and you switch off the copper view of > the other side. Optionally, switch off the "far side". Now press tap one time, > and the other side will show up (components on the other side, copper on other > side). Press TAB once again. Com

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread Steven Michalske
On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 16:06 -0400, Mark Anderson wrote: >> I'm still planning on an OSX Cocoa HID. I haven't gotten very far, but >> I do have the very, very beginning. If any one else is interested, let >> me know. I'd like to do the same

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 16:06 -0400, Mark Anderson wrote: > I'm still planning on an OSX Cocoa HID. I haven't gotten very far, but >I do have the very, very beginning. If any one else is interested, let >me know. I'd like to do the same for gschem, but that isn't as modular >just yet. >

Re: gEDA-user: gschem crash on object drag

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 23:22 +0530, Abhijit Kshirsagar wrote: > Thanks. I will try with the newer version. >As of now I think the problem lies in one of the custom components I'm >using - but that should still not cause a segfault right?` No - it should not. If you can still reproduce it i

Re: gEDA-user: How to do PCB Autorouting with non-plated holes

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 13:52 -0400, Cory Papenfuss wrote: > I thought about that... making different footprints that don't > have copper on the component side of the pins. Since that would require > making new footprints for pretty much everything, I was hoping for a > different solution..

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary

2011-08-23 Thread Stephen Ecob
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: >> Often I want to see one layer alone, so it would be convenient to be >> able to hide all and then show a single layer, using just 2 clicks. >> In your example artwork there are 14 layers, going from all visible to >> just one visible would

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 23:45 -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 04:41:05PM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > > Andrew Poelstra wrote: > Relatedly, why do we let the user select the 'rats' layer? > Can you actually draw with it? You can draw new connections between components an

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 10:36 +1000, Stephen Ecob wrote: > A few hours in the future, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 09:52:19AM +1000, Stephen Ecob wrote: > >> A few hours in the future, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > >> * Hide all layers button > >> > >> * Show all layers button > >

Re: gEDA-user: viewing side vs. layers

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 22:54 +0200, Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:51:03 -0400 > DJ Delorie wrote: > > > Which GUI ? > > GTK DJ, It broke when you committed a fix for a different issue, I can't recall exactly which though. I did have a note of the commit which caused it, but I ca

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 18:29 +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > I subscribed to the mailing list, too. And so did Larry Doolittle, who > already > wrote to the list. :-) > > The response by Javier Serrano was interesting: > ( http://lists.ohwr.org/sympa/arc/foss-pcb/2011-08/msg3.html ) > The c

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread DJ Delorie
> And the ability to store toolbar states in configuration file, or > *.pcb file. One of the reasons to do my own lesstif tear-offs :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:31:49 -0400 DJ Delorie wrote: > I think dockable toolbars is the way to go. +1. And the ability to store toolbar states in configuration file, or *.pcb file. Levente -- Levente Kovacs http://levente.logonex.eu ___ geda-us

Re: gEDA-user: This patch is breaking compile

2011-08-23 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 22.08.2011 um 20:11 schrieb kqt4a...@comcast.net: Am 15.08.2011 um 22:37 schrieb kqt4a...@comcast.net: I was especially interested in the drillmill function but I have not been able to get that to work I check the box and only get plain drilling Did you look into the "outline" G-code f

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread DJ Delorie
> It seems that if pcb is designed using best-practice > model-view-controller design, then multiple views should be simple. I don't think it's a problem, if the HID can keep track of its displays and update them accordingly. The lesstif hid, for example, always does a full redraw when it's idle

Re: gEDA-user: Creating bill of materials?

2011-08-23 Thread Joshua
On 8/23/2011 12:16 PM, John Doty wrote: What if the components are in 38 separate schematic files, as in one recent project of mine? The project-specific component approach makes managing this pretty easy. You can even switch project component libraries to change components from prototype to

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread Mark Anderson
I'm still planning on an OSX Cocoa HID. I haven't gotten very far, but I do have the very, very beginning. If any one else is interested, let me know. I'd like to do the same for gschem, but that isn't as modular just yet. Mark On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:10 PM, DJ Delorie <[1]d..

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:29:50 -0400 DJ Delorie wrote: > > > That would play nice on a dual headed setup. > > One of my "dream projects" is to do a GUI for pcb that uses two or > more monitors, with one monitor heavy on the toolbars and showing an > overview "thumber" window, and the other monito

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread DJ Delorie
I put a master roadmap here: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/pcb:roadmap I think we've hit some of them, so it needs updating. The way it works is: things get added to the wish list, then moved up to the release milestones by the admins as we plan for the future. > with priorities... or the develope

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:29:50 -0400 DJ Delorie wrote: > > That would play nice on a dual headed setup. > > One of my "dream projects" is to do a GUI for pcb that uses two or > more monitors, with one monitor heavy on the toolbars and showing an > overview "thumber" window, and the other monitor

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread DJ Delorie
> That would play nice on a dual headed setup. One of my "dream projects" is to do a GUI for pcb that uses two or more monitors, with one monitor heavy on the toolbars and showing an overview "thumber" window, and the other monitor being 100% layout. > There were fights against GTK people not to

Re: gEDA-user: Is it required to use hierarchy for multi-page schematics ?

2011-08-23 Thread Vladimir Zhbanov
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:55:23AM -0400, Dan Roganti wrote: >Hello, >I'm trying to find more info about using mulit-page schematics for gEDA >Is it required to use hierarchy for multi-page schematics or can I just >continue adding pages in the design ? >thanks >=Dan No, it

Re: gEDA-user: How to do PCB Autorouting with non-plated holes

2011-08-23 Thread Cory Papenfuss
I thought about that... making different footprints that don't have copper on the component side of the pins. Since that would require making new footprints for pretty much everything, I was hoping for a different solution... :) It seems like it would be a relatively common thing for hobbyis

Re: gEDA-user: gschem crash on object drag

2011-08-23 Thread Abhijit Kshirsagar
Thanks. I will try with the newer version. As of now I think the problem lies in one of the custom components I'm using - but that should still not cause a segfault right?` Also,� I'd have liked some inputs on how to debug the problem. Is there some way of enabling "debug" logging o

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:55:21 -0700 Colin D Bennett wrote: > It would be great if the gtk GUI could provide some options to > increase available screen space Once I started to work on a patch to have the look and feel of the lesstif GUI in the GTK GUI. However, I think we should implement everyth

Re: gEDA-user: Is it required to use hierarchy for multi-page schematics ?

2011-08-23 Thread DJ Delorie
> Is it required to use hierarchy for multi-page schematics or can I just > continue adding pages in the design ? You can just keep adding pages, as long as your nets are named. Nets with the same names get merged when you netlist, as do components with the same refdes. ___

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread DJ Delorie
> there is no tool palette or layer list at all; you must use the menus > to select tool, active layer, or shown/hidden layers. (Except some You can tear off the menus, though. > keyboard accelerators.) I thought I saw screenshots of the lesstif GUI > where there *were* layer and tool bars on

gEDA-user: Is it required to use hierarchy for multi-page schematics ?

2011-08-23 Thread Dan Roganti
Hello, I'm trying to find more info about using mulit-page schematics for gEDA Is it required to use hierarchy for multi-page schematics or can I just continue adding pages in the design ? thanks =Dan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-us

Re: gEDA-user: gschem crash on object drag

2011-08-23 Thread Peter Brett
Abhijit Kshirsagar writes: > I'm using gschem 1.6.1.20100214 on an Ubuntu 10.10 machine. I'm making a > simple schematic - just a couple of devices and just one page. I find that > it crashes with a "Segmentation fault" reported on my terminal. Please upgrade to gEDA 1.6.2, which contains fixes

Re: gEDA-user: Creating bill of materials?

2011-08-23 Thread John Doty
On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Joshua wrote: > -- > It's useful for "touch up" of a few attributes, but not for the broad changes > you want. The spreadsheet approach really doesn't scale well anyway. If you > have 300 bypass capacitors in a project, it's much more efficient to have a > "heavy"

Re: gEDA-user: How to do PCB Autorouting with non-plated holes

2011-08-23 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Cory Papenfuss wrote: > Hey, all. I've used PCB on an off for 10 years and recently > have been getting familiar again with the rest of gEDA which has > become a great set of tools! > > Anyway, I've been using a board mill to make 1 and 2-lay

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary

2011-08-23 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:41:53 -0700 Andrew Poelstra wrote: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 02:22:25AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > > Andrew Poelstra wrote: > > > > > I have implemented the italicized/separated > > > suggestion. You can see it here: > > > > > > http://www.wpsoftware.net/andrew/dump

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:58:27 -0400 DJ Delorie wrote: > > > if you use pcb with the Lesstif GUI, why? > > The lesstif GUI was designed to use very little screen space, leaving > the maximum amount of space for the board. I just tried out the lesstif pcb GUI. I was surprised to see that there i

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds - summary

2011-08-23 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:36:33 +1000 Stephen Ecob wrote: > A few hours in the future, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 09:52:19AM +1000, Stephen Ecob wrote: > >> A few hours in the future, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > >> * Hide all layers button > >> > >> * Show all layers button >

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-23 Thread Jared Casper
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:17 PM, John Hudak <[1]jjhu...@gmail.com> wrote: I believe the KiCAD folks are also looking at this. -John Indeed. The posts to the list that I woke up to this morning took a frighteningly KiCad-centric turn. Jared References 1. mailto:j

gEDA-user: How to do PCB Autorouting with non-plated holes

2011-08-23 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Hey, all. I've used PCB on an off for 10 years and recently have been getting familiar again with the rest of gEDA which has become a great set of tools! Anyway, I've been using a board mill to make 1 and 2-layer prototypes of typically through-hole components. The trouble is when the aut

Re: gEDA-user: This patch is breaking compile

2011-08-23 Thread kqt4at5v
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 15.08.2011 um 22:37 schrieb kqt4a...@comcast.net: I was especially interested in the drillmill function but I have not been able to get that to work I check the box and only get plain drilling Did you look into the "outline" G-code file? As dril

Re: gEDA-user: gschem crash on object drag

2011-08-23 Thread Abhijit Kshirsagar
Oh one update: ** (gschem:2337): CRITICAL **: o_shortest_distance: object 0x8fbf3f8 has bad type This error showed up just now... I'm suspecting this has something to do with the net rubber-banding but I'm not sure how to confirm... Thanks! ~Abhijit On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at

Re: gEDA-user: Foss-pcb Proposed plan from CERN

2011-08-23 Thread John Hudak
I believe the KiCAD folks are also looking at this. -John On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak <[1]kn...@iqo.uni-hannover.de> wrote: Kovacs Levente wrote: >> CERN might come up with tip money for developers. >> Anyone have the time to be in a committee? >

gEDA-user: gschem crash on object drag

2011-08-23 Thread Abhijit Kshirsagar
Hi all I'm using gschem 1.6.1.20100214 on an Ubuntu 10.10 machine. I'm making a simple schematic - just a couple of devices and just one page. I find that it crashes with a "Segmentation fault" reported on my terminal. I used the verbose switch but the only error i got was "(gsche