Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread DJ Delorie
> > By showing phase instead of actual clocking, we avoid the need to > > have <60Hz frequencies. The LEDs would show the beat between them > > due to component tolerances, not the actual clocks. > >Now THAT is a fun idea! Ok, I prototyped this (yay radio shack electronics labs :) with two

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread Dave McGuire
DJ Delorie wrote: Hmmm... make two free-running oscillators with the same parts, and hook two LEDS up between the outputs (one red, one green, in opposite directions) so the LEDs indicate phase. Or have one clock the D-FF, and the other provide the D input, use the Q and ~Q outputs to indicate p

gEDA-user: Cryogenic / Ceramic Substrate PCB Material?

2006-08-05 Thread Bob Paddock
Has anyone here ever done any work with cryogenic circuits? The application is some ultra low noise amplifiers. Does anyone know of which houses can make PCB's based on Ceramic Substrate Material? Would there be something better material to use in Liquid Nitrogen than Ceramic? http://www.interf

gEDA-user: SO-28 follow up

2006-08-05 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
Yesterday I posted a message regarding a failure in gsch2pcb when the footprint contained the string "SO-28". It seems that any footprint beginning with "SO-" will fail. Attached are my test schematic and project files. I would appreciate feedback. George schematics so28.sch output-name so2

Re: gEDA-user: analog switch idea

2006-08-05 Thread kmk
gene glick wrote: >> Sometimes it adds linearly. Sometimes it cancels. Good designs >> will use this cancellation to advantage. >> > How does that work? Take an opamp that is wired to amplify the difference of two signals. If both signals are affected by the same noise source, the noise will b

Re: gEDA-user: analog switch idea

2006-08-05 Thread gene glick
al davis wrote: On Saturday 05 August 2006 09:46, gene glick wrote: Hey, I am curious, noise adds as the root of the sum of the squares, right? ..because it is uncorrelated. Yep, that's how I remember it :-) How does distortion accumulate? Seems to me that it just adds linearly. Somet

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread DJ Delorie
> Panasonic NP061A500A dual PNP with built in bias resistors is in a > package with a 0.35 mm pin pitch. $0.51 in 100's at Digikey. Is 350 > µm fine enough? ;-) I have down to 0.40mm pitch so far (the tvsop). The problem becomes finding cheap FABs at that pitch - 0.40mm is 7.89 mils, so we m

Re: gEDA-user: gSchem Output

2006-08-05 Thread Taylor Jones
On 8/5/06, COMINT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is it possible to output a schematic in pdf in colour?This will get you a .ps in color:http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gschem#how_can_i_get_color_postscript_png_output Then you can use gs to convert and merge multiple .ps files into one .pdf like

Re: gEDA-user: analog switch idea

2006-08-05 Thread Levente
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:38:25 + gene glick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any ideas? You might take a look on AD8110. I used them, and found very good. However it goues up till 200MHz, and it was designed for video. Levente -- http://web.interware.hu/lekovacs pgpYAlH9YOuNX.pgp Description:

gEDA-user: gSchem Output

2006-08-05 Thread COMINT
Is it possible to output a schematic in pdf in colour? Cheers ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread DJ Delorie
> Does a Schmidt input inverter cost too much? www.digikey.com ;-) The tvsop is a hex buffer; if we swap that with a hex inverter it will be much more useful, and we'd have six gates to play with. The D flip flop can be set up as a divide by two. Hmmm... make two free-running oscillators with

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread John Doty
On Aug 5, 2006, at 12:56 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: If we did multiple transistors, they'd have to be different sizes (not a big deal) and you don't get the fine-pitch challenge with them, like you do with the mini-gates (SOT-323-5 and TVSOP). Panasonic NP061A500A dual PNP with built in bias resi

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread Mike Jarabek
Hi, On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 14:56 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > The success of this circuit depends on what `low' valued means here. To > > get visual frequencies, for a couple of Hertz we might need between 0.1 > > and 1 microfarad or so. We would have to breadboard the circuit to find > > out app

gEDA-user: Footprint Additions

2006-08-05 Thread John Luciani
I have made the following additions and changes to my footprint library which is at http://www.luciani.org/geda/pcb/pcb-footprint-list.html * Added Johnson Component shielded test jacks (129-0701-20x and 129-0701-30x) * Added Tyco Micro-Match Connectors (series 215079) * Added footprints for C&K

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread DJ Delorie
> Yes - and think about being able instantly identify if the soldering was > successful or not by seeing the LED blink. 'Built-in diagnostics'... > That's at least worth another $.02? Definitely worth $0.02. Not worth $2.00. The trick isn't the circuit, it's the budget. __

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread DJ Delorie
> The success of this circuit depends on what `low' valued means here. To > get visual frequencies, for a couple of Hertz we might need between 0.1 > and 1 microfarad or so. We would have to breadboard the circuit to find > out appropriate values for the cross coupling capacitors. (Although > p

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread John Coppens
On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:34:20 -0400 DJ Delorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Even just a little 555-based LED blinker or something would count > > as "functional" in this case, I think. > > 0603 cap = 1 cent > 0603 led = 7 cents > > Even the venerable 555 is too expensive in the small sizes ap

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread Mike Jarabek
Hi, Perhaps a bit more low-tech, how about an astable multivibrator? This circuit needs 2 transistors, 6 (or 7) resistors, and two caps. Add two LED's and you have a blinker. We used to build these out of leaded components on a 1.5 x 1.5 inch piece of perfboard. We had students who wer

Re: gEDA-user: analog switch idea

2006-08-05 Thread al davis
On Saturday 05 August 2006 09:46, gene glick wrote: > Hey, I am curious, noise adds as the root of the sum of the > squares, right? ..because it is uncorrelated. > How does distortion accumulate?  Seems to me > that it just adds linearly. Sometimes it adds linearly. Sometimes it cancels. Good

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread DJ Delorie
>Even just a little 555-based LED blinker or something would count as > "functional" in this case, I think. 0603 cap = 1 cent 0603 led = 7 cents Even the venerable 555 is too expensive in the small sizes appropriate to this project (about $0.60). Now, if you can think of a circuit that use

Re: gEDA-user: analog switch idea

2006-08-05 Thread gene glick
Noise and distortion are my main concerns. The more stuff that gets in the way, the more it gets worse. Having said that, maybe the ADC distortion and noise is the worst - maybe not, have to look into that. I think I need to come up with a good noise budget and work from that. But it is hard

gEDA-user: SO-28 Footprint

2006-08-05 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
I created a footprint called SO-28. I then ran g2ch2pcb on a small test.sch file and it goes into an finite loop generating pads with the following error messages: stdin:5: /usr/bin/m4: Bad _expression_ in eval: (1028* - /2)/100 stdin:5: /usr/bin/m4: Bad _expression_ in eval: (1028* - /2)/100

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread Dave McGuire
Dan McMahill wrote: I think we should pester Dave to fire up his SEM for some super close up photos! You know...My fiance' and I are hunting for a new house...one of the biggest requirements is enough space for not only my big iron, but for the SEM. It hasn't even had its vacuum system pum

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread Dave McGuire
DJ Delorie wrote: I think there ought to be a functional test... so how about a simple surface mount amplifier and input/output jacks. Again, if you can come up with a working circuit that (1) uses all the different footprints, (2) costs less than $2, and (3) fits in about half a square inch, I

Re: gEDA-user: SMD soldering challenge status

2006-08-05 Thread kmk
DJ Delorie wrote: > Again, if you can come up with a working circuit that (1) uses all the > different footprints, (2) costs less than $2, and (3) fits in about > half a square inch, I'm all for it. My former employer did a little pcb as a christmas gift for well known customers. It is dual use: