Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-13 Thread Jeff Law via Gcc
On 4/13/2021 12:01 AM, Richard Biener via Gcc wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:24 PM Nathan Sidwell wrote: On 4/12/21 5:32 AM, Richard Biener via Gcc wrote: Please concentrate on the important things, we're supposed to get a release of GCC 11 out of the door. Then it is important this is

Re: libstdc++-v3/doc/xml/manual/backwards_compatibility.xml

2021-04-13 Thread Jonathan Wakely via Gcc
Sorry for the slow reply ... On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 at 22:59, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > > I noticed this section on "Backwards Compatibility" in the libstdc++ > docs that talks about > > - glibc 2.0.x > - GCC 3.2 (August 2002) > - GCC 4.1 (February 2006) > > and links to "Migrating to GCC 4.1" and "M

Re: libstdc++-v3/doc/xml/manual/backwards_compatibility.xml

2021-04-13 Thread Jonathan Wakely via Gcc
On 13/04/21 16:19 +0100, Jonathan Wakely via Libstdc++ wrote: Sorry for the slow reply ... On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 at 22:59, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: I noticed this section on "Backwards Compatibility" in the libstdc++ docs that talks about - glibc 2.0.x - GCC 3.2 (August 2002) - GCC 4.1 (February

Re: libstdc++-v3/doc/xml/manual/backwards_compatibility.xml

2021-04-13 Thread Jonathan Wakely via Gcc
On 13/04/21 16:37 +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 13/04/21 16:19 +0100, Jonathan Wakely via Libstdc++ wrote: Sorry for the slow reply ... On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 at 22:59, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: I noticed this section on "Backwards Compatibility" in the libstdc++ docs that talks about - glibc 2.0

Re: Default debug format for AVR

2021-04-13 Thread Jeff Law via Gcc
Agreed. I'd bet AIX is the outlier here and that most, if not all, other ports that may currently be stabs-by-default can switch to dwarf-by-default with no significant fallout. So we fix everything we can while we wait for AIX to move forward. I am not requesting a continuation of support

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-13 Thread Thomas Koenig via Gcc
On 13.04.21 16:40, Jeff Law via Gcc wrote: An EGCS-like split like we had in the late 90s is, IMHO, a definite possibility here Such a move would, in all probability, leave both parts of the split GCC with too few developers to compete against LLVM, thus rendering GCC irrelevant and ruining an

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-13 Thread Jeff Law via Gcc
On 4/13/2021 10:52 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote: On 13.04.21 16:40, Jeff Law via Gcc wrote: An EGCS-like split like we had in the late 90s is, IMHO, a definite possibility here Such a move would, in all probability, leave both parts of the split GCC with too few developers to compete against LLVM

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-13 Thread Thomas Koenig via Gcc
On 13.04.21 19:19, Jeff Law via Gcc wrote: I'm not sure there'll be that much of a community split.  Based on what I've seen *so far* it'd be less of a split than we had with EGCS.  But that's precisely why I want folks to chime in, particularly those doing the day-to-date development work --

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-13 Thread Jeff Law via Gcc
On 4/13/2021 11:32 AM, Thomas Koenig via Gcc wrote: On 13.04.21 19:19, Jeff Law via Gcc wrote: I'm not sure there'll be that much of a community split.  Based on what I've seen *so far* it'd be less of a split than we had with EGCS.  But that's precisely why I want folks to chime in, partic

Re: My 2nd attempt to devel for gcc

2021-04-13 Thread pawel k. via Gcc
Hello, Sorry for slight delay. Very happy if i could prepare prototype of this solution. My best guess is if we could hookify all target code everything callable either from frontends or midend, we could try to severly cut this estimate. I also went back to thread you memtioned, i underestimated

On rms controversy

2021-04-13 Thread pawel k. via Gcc
Hello, Im multiyear gcc user on many targets. I love the project and wish it all the best. Im also senior c/cpp and linux sw devel with 20 years of experience. Im observing an rms controversy from some perspective and here are my thoughts: -you didnt base attack on real data but allegations. Addit

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-13 Thread Thomas Koenig via Gcc
On 14.04.21 01:41, Jeff Law wrote: On 4/13/2021 11:32 AM, Thomas Koenig via Gcc wrote: On 13.04.21 19:19, Jeff Law via Gcc wrote: I'm not sure there'll be that much of a community split.  Based on what I've seen *so far* it'd be less of a split than we had with EGCS.  But that's precisely wh