Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread John Darrington
41;344;0cOn Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 07:30:13PM -0300, Adhemerval Zanella via Gcc wrote: And there was no hate (at least not from my side) only *disappointment* that you used your status to do it even though most of senior developers and maintainers said explicitly you shouldn’t do it. I

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Hi Alexandre and Jonathan, On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 23:49:54 -0300 Alexandre Oliva via Gcc wrote: > > - RMS ensures GCC stays honest (implying the rest of us can't be > > trusted or don't *really* believe in FOSS, I don't think it's true > > and don't see this as an advantage) > > Trust is not rati

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 4/12/21 12:55 PM, John Darrington wrote: In GNU, there are no "senior" (or junior) developers/maintainers. Maintainers have some specific responsibilities, with which developers are not emcumbered. In almost all projects, the maintainers are also developers, but this need not be the case. Bu

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Richard Biener via Gcc
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 7:22 PM Jonathan Wakely via Gcc wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 16:56 David Brown, wrote: > > > > > The big problem with a fork, rather than an amiable split (where FSF/GNU > > accepts that gcc wants to be a separate project) is the name. If the > > FSF keep their own "gcc

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Bronek Kozicki via Gcc
On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 at 03:12, Chris Punches via Gcc wrote: > Hello, > > I've been reading quietly on how the GCC SC handles this and generally > only lurk here so that I can stay informed on GCC changes. I am nobody > you would probably care about, but, maybe I will be one day. No one > ever re

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Thomas Koenig via Gcc
On 12.04.21 11:32, Richard Biener via Gcc wrote: Please concentrate on the important things, we're supposed to get a release of GCC 11 out of the door. Amen.

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Bronek Kozicki via Gcc
On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 at 11:24, Bronek Kozicki wrote: > On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 at 03:12, Chris Punches via Gcc > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I've been reading quietly on how the GCC SC handles this and generally >> only lurk here so that I can stay informed on GCC changes. I am nobody >> you would prob

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Sujith Manoharan via Gcc
David Brown writes: > > So why /do/ people use it? I suspect that one of the biggest reason is > > "it's the only compiler that will do the job". For a lot of important > > software, such as Linux kernel, it is gcc or nothing. Another big > > reason is that gcc comes with their system, which is

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Richard Kenner via Gcc
> For developers, I think the GPL matters very much. It introduces > fairness in the contribution process - companies and individuals > can contribute code knowing that it can't be taken away and locked > up, to be modified, sold and distributed as binary packages > (eg. Nvidia). Note that this di

Re: [GSoC-2021] Interested in project `Extend the static analysis pass`

2021-04-12 Thread David Malcolm via Gcc
On Sun, 2021-04-11 at 17:06 +0530, Saloni Garg wrote: > On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:14 AM David Malcolm > wrote: > > > On Sat, 2021-04-10 at 21:18 +0530, Saloni Garg wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 8:19 AM David Malcolm > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 2021-04-07 at 01:59 +0530, Salo

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Kalamatee via Gcc
On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 at 03:13, Chris Punches via Gcc wrote: > Hello, > > I've been reading quietly on how the GCC SC handles this and generally > only lurk here so that I can stay informed on GCC changes. I am nobody > you would probably care about, but, maybe I will be one day. No one > ever re

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Alexandre Oliva via Gcc
On Apr 12, 2021, Adhemerval Zanella wrote: > No, you are insinuating that the glibc community both as maintainer > and contributors acted in a hateful way regarding the 'joke' > removal. Sorry, but this is not true; Easy to say for someone who hasn't been the target of hate, but it's just that i

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Adhemerval Zanella via Gcc
On 12/04/2021 14:52, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Apr 12, 2021, Adhemerval Zanella wrote: > >> No, you are insinuating that the glibc community both as maintainer >> and contributors acted in a hateful way regarding the 'joke' >> removal. Sorry, but this is not true; > > Easy to say for someon

Re: [GSoC-2021] Interested in project `Extend the static analysis pass`

2021-04-12 Thread Saloni Garg via Gcc
On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 7:35 PM David Malcolm wrote: > On Sun, 2021-04-11 at 17:06 +0530, Saloni Garg wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:14 AM David Malcolm > > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2021-04-10 at 21:18 +0530, Saloni Garg wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 8:19 AM David Malcolm > > > >

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Nathan Sidwell
On 4/11/21 9:34 PM, Chris Punches via Gcc wrote: It is not appropriate to discuss the removal of someone based on innuendo, provenly false smearing, and other types of political maneuvering at the behest of corporations desiring the destruction of the very projects they are sponsoring. Good jo

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Nathan Sidwell
On 4/12/21 5:32 AM, Richard Biener via Gcc wrote: Please concentrate on the important things, we're supposed to get a release of GCC 11 out of the door. Then it is important this is resolved. nathan -- Nathan Sidwell

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Chris Punches via Gcc
That will never make it appropriate. I would encourage you to reflect more carefully on the meaning of the words you are reading and using. These arguments are paper thin, and full of lofty rhetoric; none of them will expand the expectation of anyone here to include integrating their poltical bel

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Daniel (Robin) Smith via Gcc
"but muh freedum license re" "haha quality compiler suite go brrr" On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 8:25 PM Chris Punches via Gcc wrote: > That will never make it appropriate. > > I would encourage you to reflect more carefully on the meaning of the > words you are reading and using. > > These argumen

GSoC 2021 Proposal - Improve diagnostic messages for Rust-GCC

2021-04-12 Thread Ruihan Li via Gcc
Hello everyone. I'll work on improving diagnostic messages for GCC's Rust front-end in Google Summer of Code. Here is the proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZPRKu-PKPdZVOAZyYRq7YfSfA0eo7wyX3IL9KJoULnA/edit?usp=sharing Feel free to leave any comments or suggestions here. Ruihan Li

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-12 Thread Richard Biener via Gcc
On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:24 PM Nathan Sidwell wrote: > > On 4/12/21 5:32 AM, Richard Biener via Gcc wrote: > > > > > Please concentrate on the important things, we're supposed to get a > > release of GCC 11 out of the door. > > Then it is important this is resolved. Maybe - but it is very appar