Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site

2006-06-11 Thread Dustin Laurence
FWIW, I much prefer the navigation bar on the left no matter what browser I'm using. Dustin pgpRTYu9WRFhX.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site

2006-06-11 Thread DJ Delorie
> Is your concern mainly Lynx users (and similar users)? It should be > feasible to move the navigation bar to the beginning for these while > still keeping it on the right side to be in sync with www.gnu.org. Lynx is an example of a non-GUI browser. All non-GUI browsers would suffer similarly.

Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site

2006-06-11 Thread DJ Delorie
> On this one, we follow the style of http://www.gnu.org. Looking > into the CSS there, I see that indeed they (and thus us) set a > different background color, alas that color is #fefefe which is > white for all practical matters. > > Okay? It addresses that issue, yes.

RE: Where is the egg?

2006-06-11 Thread Stephan T. Lavavej
[Gerald Pfeifer] > Stephan, if you could provide an egg of about 60% the current > size, and one of about 70% (so that we can play a bit), that > would be great. Of course, my dark lord. http://stl.nuwen.net/gcc50.png http://stl.nuwen.net/gcc55.png http://stl.nuwen.net/gcc60.png http://stl.nuwen.

Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site

2006-06-11 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
Daniel Berlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > (Which technique would you recommend to address what you refer to as | > the "search engine" issue?) | | I have to ask, why do people use lynx these days when links or elinks | are much faster and better text mode browsers? some people don't run impe

Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site

2006-06-11 Thread Daniel Berlin
Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, DJ Delorie wrote: >> Right-side navigation bars are nonstandard. It should be moved to the >> left side. Don't accept the search engine excuse; that's easily >> fixable. Also, by fixing the search engine issue you punish Lynx >> users; the navigation m

Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site

2006-06-11 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, DJ Delorie wrote: > Right-side navigation bars are nonstandard. It should be moved to the > left side. Don't accept the search engine excuse; that's easily > fixable. Also, by fixing the search engine issue you punish Lynx > users; the navigation menu is now near (but not at)

Re: Thoughts on gcc maintainership and project merging

2006-06-11 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Wed, 24 May 2006, Zdenek Dvorak wrote: >Proposal: Whenever a new pass or a major functionality is added to > gcc, a maintainer for it must be found. Preferably the > author, or in case he from some reason is not considered > suitable, some other person m

Re: Where is the egg?

2006-06-11 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Steven Bosscher wrote: > But is it really necessary to remove the egg too? Can we have > it back? Pleaeaeaeaese? :-) It's still there, just transformed into an Easter egg -- hidden in the bushes. ;-) Seriously, it did not really fit the design we inherited. I tried, and fail

Re: Generator programs can only be built with optimization enabled?

2006-06-11 Thread David Edelsohn
> Mark Mitchell writes: Mark> That seems unfortunate, but so be it. Yes it is very unfortunate and not very convenient for the way that most developers want to use the build infrastructure. There no longer is an equivalent to "make quickstrap". To rebuild only GCC, one can use "make

Re: Generator programs can only be built with optimization enabled?

2006-06-11 Thread Mark Mitchell
David Edelsohn wrote: > This is part of the new build infrastructure. One cannot simply > go into $objdir/gcc and type "make". One either needs to use the > appropriate incantation at the top-level build directory or go into > $objdir/gcc and type "make CFLAGS='xxx'", where 'xxx' matches th

Re: Generator programs can only be built with optimization enabled?

2006-06-11 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
Mark Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Typing "make" in $objdir/gcc (after a bootstrap) sometimes results in | errors like: | | build/gencondmd.o: In function `VEC_rtx_heap_reserve': | /net/sparrowhawk/scratch/mitchell/src/lto/gcc/rtl.h:195: undefined | reference to `vec_heap_p_reserve' | |

Re: Generator programs can only be built with optimization enabled?

2006-06-11 Thread David Edelsohn
This is part of the new build infrastructure. One cannot simply go into $objdir/gcc and type "make". One either needs to use the appropriate incantation at the top-level build directory or go into $objdir/gcc and type "make CFLAGS='xxx'", where 'xxx' matches the optimization options for t

Re: Generator programs can only be built with optimization enabled?

2006-06-11 Thread Andrew Pinski
On Jun 11, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Mark Mitchell wrote: I'm using a version of mainline that's a few weeks old; is this something that has been recently fixed? Not really fixed, just hidden and the behavior of cgraph reverted to what it was in 4.1.0 but you can still reproduce the failure with -fke

Generator programs can only be built with optimization enabled?

2006-06-11 Thread Mark Mitchell
Typing "make" in $objdir/gcc (after a bootstrap) sometimes results in errors like: build/gencondmd.o: In function `VEC_rtx_heap_reserve': /net/sparrowhawk/scratch/mitchell/src/lto/gcc/rtl.h:195: undefined reference to `vec_heap_p_reserve' For an ordinary "make" the generator programs are built wi

Re: Missing -march=sempron -mtune=sempron -msse3 -m3dnow+?

2006-06-11 Thread Anny Blackyew
Gerald Pfeifer wrote: | > Why is GCC-4.2.x missing -march=k8 -mtune=athlonxp -mtune=athlon-xp | > -mtune=athlon_xp -msse3 -m3dnow+ -m32? | | I don't think we should have variants for all sorts of spellings | such as athlonxp vs athlon-xp vs athlon_xp. The big problem is that none of these work! I

Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site

2006-06-11 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
[ gcc-patches added, Reply-To: set ] On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Andrew Pinski wrote: > Also what about moving the News up to a noticeable spot since right now > it is down in a corner so it looks out of place. In fact on my screen > which is set to 1024x768, I have to scroll to get to the news. I belie

Re: Missing -march=sempron -mtune=sempron -msse3 -m3dnow+?

2006-06-11 Thread Anny Blackyew
Andrew Pinski wrote: | | Why is the table gcc/config/i386/i386.c:processor_alias_table[] small and unextendable? | | | What do you mean by unextendable? I just tried to extend it and it worked. | Is it true? The truth is half. gcc$ for cpu in dothan sonoma sempron venice winchester palermo mero

Re: bootstrap broken on PPC-darwin and other targets without pkg-config (which is almost all)

2006-06-11 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Andrew Haley wrote: >> See http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2006-06/msg00120.html > I imagine that many people missed that announcement. I certainly did. > > Whilst I greatly appreciate Mark's GCC 4.2 Status Reports, I don't > always read them all. I try to keep the status part of

Re: Missing -march=sempron -mtune=sempron -msse3 -m3dnow+?

2006-06-11 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Anny Blackyew wrote: > Why is GCC-4.2.x missing -march=sempron -mtune=sempron -msse3 -m3dnow+? As far as I can tell, tuning for Sempron doesn't make much sense since this is not one specific design, but at least two different ones (the Socket A variant and the Socket 754 varia

Re: Missing -march=sempron -mtune=sempron -msse3 -m3dnow+?

2006-06-11 Thread Andrew Pinski
On Jun 11, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Anny Blackyew wrote: Why is GCC-4.2.x missing -march=sempron -mtune=sempron -msse3 - m3dnow+? Well why don't you submit a patch to fix that? Why is GCC-4.2.x missing -march=k8 -mtune=athlonxp -mtune=athlon-xp -mtune=athlon_xp -msse3 -m3dnow+ -m32? Why don't y

Missing -march=sempron -mtune=sempron -msse3 -m3dnow+?

2006-06-11 Thread Anny Blackyew
Why is GCC-4.2.x missing -march=sempron -mtune=sempron -msse3 -m3dnow+? Why is GCC-4.2.x missing -march=k8 -mtune=athlonxp -mtune=athlon-xp -mtune=athlon_xp -msse3 -m3dnow+ -m32? Why is the table gcc/config/i386/i386.c:processor_alias_table[] small and unextendable? GCC want to say me bad news f

Re: Wconversion versus Wcoercion

2006-06-11 Thread Manuel López-Ibáñez
On 11 Jun 2006 10:14:02 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please, do consider the above suggestions. I will indeed and I am already thinking about them. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me. I will try to make my following emails more clear on its definitions. Cheers, Ma

Re: Wconversion versus Wcoercion

2006-06-11 Thread Manuel López-Ibáñez
On 11 Jun 2006 10:31:07 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Manuel López-Ibáñez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | My project is about "risky" coercions in general: assignments, | operators, prototypes. You can see some (and comment and propose) | testcases in http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki

Re: [wwwdocs] Complete revamp of our web site

2006-06-11 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
[ gcc-patches added, Reply-To: set ] On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, DJ Delorie wrote: > Sidebars should have some enclosing detail, such as a border or a > shading, so set them off from the rest of the page. Don't rely on > whitespace to do this job. On this one, we follow the style of http://www.gnu.org.

Re: Wconversion versus Wcoercion

2006-06-11 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Manuel López-Ibáñez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | My project is about "risky" coercions in general: assignments, | operators, prototypes. You can see some (and comment and propose) | testcases in http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/Wcoercion . void h2(void) { int i; for(i=0; i < siz

Re: Wconversion versus Wcoercion

2006-06-11 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Manuel López-Ibáñez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On 10 Jun 2006 20:07:02 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > I'll like to see a more precise definition of your understanding of | > "coercion" versus "conversion". Last time we dicussed this I was not | > quite clear about wha

Re: Wconversion versus Wcoercion

2006-06-11 Thread Gabriel Dos Reis
"Manuel López-Ibáñez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On 10/06/06, Andrew Pinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > | > Here is my vote, have four options: | > -Wconversion the same as now. | | This is bad idea. Currently many people are relying in undocumented | behaviour or the false perception that

gcc 4.1.1 Successful build - Cedric Arbogast

2006-06-11 Thread Cedric A
Hello, GCC 4.1.1 have successfully compiled on this system : ./config.guess: i686-pc-linux-gnu GCC_EXEC_PREFIX=/usr/local/gcc411; export GCC_EXEC_PREFIX; gcc -v : Using built-in specs. Target: i686-pc-linux-gnu Configured with: /usr/src/gcc-4.1.1/configure --prefix=/usr/local/gcc411 --enable-

Re: Wconversion versus Wcoercion

2006-06-11 Thread Manuel López-Ibáñez
On 10/06/06, Andrew Pinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here is my vote, have four options: -Wconversion the same as now. This is bad idea. Currently many people are relying in undocumented behaviour or the false perception that Wconversion detects risky conversions. If we keep Wconversion, they

Re: Wconversion versus Wcoercion

2006-06-11 Thread Manuel López-Ibáñez
On 10 Jun 2006 20:07:02 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'll like to see a more precise definition of your understanding of "coercion" versus "conversion". Last time we dicussed this I was not quite clear about what you consider is "bad" what is not. I was under the impression

givs

2006-06-11 Thread Brand
I have a short piece of code that I am using for tuning an application. "-freduce-all-givs" makes it run faster with some data types and slower with others. The info page said you were interested in such results. I know very little about this all. The two conditions I