Re: [FRIAM] invoking quantum woo (was Book publishing advice needed)

2020-07-12 Thread Jon Zingale
Nick, I agree with you that F = ma is not a model, but an equivalence relation. Coherently mapping a theory, in the sense of a systematically organized collection of knowledge, to a thing, is a model of the thing. Jon -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -.

Re: [FRIAM] invoking quantum woo (was Book publishing advice needed)

2020-07-12 Thread Jon Zingale
Roger, Thanks for finding the lectures, it appears that the url location wasn't too far from where it had been. Now that I am watching it again, it is this third lecture you highlight that I was thinking of. Jon -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. ..

Re: [FRIAM] invoking quantum woo (was Book publishing advice needed)

2020-07-13 Thread Jon Zingale
Roger, I wish to clarify what I believe our positions to be. Your position is that Richard Feynman claims that no one understands quantum mechanics and that you believe him. I am claiming that misunderstanding photons has its origins in demanding that photons be greek waves or particles and that t

Re: [FRIAM] The ice ball Comets!

2020-07-13 Thread Jon Zingale
cool! My sister sent this image she took from her backyard: -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn

Re: [FRIAM] invoking quantum woo (was Book publishing advice needed)

2020-07-14 Thread Jon Zingale
Roger, There is a lot of mud here to try to sift through, so I will speak to a couple of things and otherwise move to let this go. The classical problems of compass and straightedge geometry were blocked by the tools. Namely, the requirement that these problems be solved by compass and straight-ed

Re: [FRIAM] invoking quantum woo (was Book publishing advice needed)

2020-07-14 Thread Jon Zingale
As a hopefully brief addendum to my last post, I mentioned something about Fourier analysis over different logical contexts, but this is potentially a misdirection. Quantum mechanics via traditional Fourier theory, wave equations and the rest gives certain interpretable results about the very smal

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Wow! First, 'Hands on with the Sutton Hoo sword': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb9vTu73xmE and now Colleen Green mumbling on-stage: https://youtu.be/ankOO77de7o Wrt *The Queue*, I need to step up my recommendations game. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Thank you for what I interpret as insights and suggestions. Tonight, in the context of light storms and rain, I am Dj-ing for Sarah and Tycho. This afternoon, Tycho experienced a Lingual Frenectomy. I often wish to cry with him. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. .

Re: [FRIAM] NYTimes: A Detailed Map of Who Is Wearing Masks in the U.S.

2020-07-17 Thread Jon Zingale
Perhaps it is the color choices? This map hit me with the authenticity of truth-telling, with a visceral feeling. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bi

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-20 Thread Jon Zingale
Maybe I am misremembering (which clearly happens), but didn't the discussion of gen-phen-like maps arise in the context of goal-function distinctions? In this latter class, we included the thermostat system where constraining systems to Weismann's doctrine would not be meaningful. Clearly, in the g

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-20 Thread Jon Zingale
Nick, You say: 'Glen originally mentioned a GENerator/ PHENomenon distinction which seems to be the broader of the two and does not forbid downward causation.' I feel comfortable saying gen-phen-like maps. I am in the investigative modality at present and have not yet nailed down for myself the p

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-20 Thread Jon Zingale
Thanks, that sounds right. Are we interested in similar relations like entailment? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-20 Thread Jon Zingale
Nick, So to continue this construal talk, would you allow things wrapped in events clothing to have causal relations? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-20 Thread Jon Zingale
Right, but are we concerned with the class of entailment-like/causation-like relations? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subsc

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-21 Thread Jon Zingale
What about something being believably prior rather than just temporally prior? Perhaps, we would use a different word than cause? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-1

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-21 Thread Jon Zingale
What about something being permissibly prior rather than just temporally prior? Perhaps, we would use a different word than cause? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-21 Thread Jon Zingale
What about something being alethically prior, epistemically prior, doxastically prior, deontically prior? Is there a word that satisfies these more generally, satisfying modally prior? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

2020-07-21 Thread Jon Zingale
N I am having fun seeing to what extent I can make snowclones of the temporality-causation pattern, and thinking about how the concept of entailment corresponds to these various modal logical notions. Please do not feel compelled to respond. J -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/

[FRIAM] towards a description of a goal-function relation

2020-07-21 Thread Jon Zingale
The model as I understand it this far begins by considering a room with a thermostat which regulates the temperature of the room via a mechanism involving a bent piece of metal. Further, there is a dial on the thermostat so that a person that is dissatisfied with the present goals of the thermostat

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Jon Zingale
How about, "Points are maps from terminal objects?" -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/list

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Jon Zingale
Frank, I will send my regards. Because of the kinds of conversations that occasionally heat up around ideas like electron wave-particle duality, I feel that it is important to include definitions that extend to more general concepts. This list can take it :) -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Jon Zingale
SDG is a rather cool example of where the point notion can be radically different than classically handled by Euclid. From the man himself, Anders Kock[1]: "Euclid maintained further that R was not just a commutative ring, but actually a field. This follows because of his assumption: for any two p

Re: [FRIAM] square land math question

2020-07-23 Thread Jon Zingale
Huh, that's fun. I love that my TI-86 correctly evaluates: (10+6√3)^(1/3) + (10-6√3)^(1/3) to 2, just saying :) -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.

[FRIAM] towards a description of a goal-function relation

2020-07-23 Thread Jon Zingale
Thank you EricC for the additional nuance and clarifying examples. In what follows I will attempt to lay out what I (mis)understand, ask questions that I have, and further develop some thoughts. I look forward to corrections and additions. Before getting to the main content of this post, there are

Re: [FRIAM] towards a description of a goal-function relation

2020-07-23 Thread Jon Zingale
Thank you EricC for the additional nuance and clarifying examples. In what follows I will attempt to lay out what I (mis)understand, ask questions that I have, and further develop some thoughts. I look forward to corrections and additions. Before getting to the main content of this post, there are

[FRIAM] How is a vector space like an evolutionary function?

2020-07-26 Thread Jon Zingale
At first glance, the commonality is one of contingency. *Vector spaces* are contingent on underlying *fields* like *evolutionary functions* are contingent on *underlying goals*. Before jumping to the conclusion that I believe that evolutionary functions *are* vector spaces, let me mention that in p

Re: [FRIAM] towards a description of a goal-function relation

2020-07-26 Thread Jon Zingale
Thank you, Nick and Eric, for the corrections, direction, and help as I grapple with these ideas that you both are so familiar with. Taking a step back, it appears that evolutionary theorists identify *function* in the *epiphenomena* arising from *underlying mechanisms*. What connection the epiphen

Re: [FRIAM] How is a vector space like an evolutionary function?

2020-07-27 Thread jon zingale
I probably should have added an abstract :) What I am getting at here is that *free* object constructions build higher-order structures relative to those they are built from and relative to the target of their associated right-adjoint (often the category of sets via a forgetful functor). That these

Re: [FRIAM] Internet unreliable since monsoon began

2020-07-27 Thread jon zingale
both? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.

[FRIAM] GPT-3 and the chinese room

2020-07-28 Thread Jon Zingale
>From my perspective, it is helpful to consider a larger history of the consciousness debate. In what could be considered *the beginning of theend* of African slavery in the west, natural philosophers would seek to find in the physiology of black men structures to explain their *inferiority* and in

[FRIAM] Dear Portland Oregon...

2020-07-28 Thread jon zingale
Dear Portland, Tin soldiers and Nixon coming, We're finally on our own. This summer I hear the drumming, Four dead in Ohio. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mt

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread jon zingale
Speaking of Marxists, I am reminded of the situationist graffiti: 'Those who lack imagination cannot imagine what is lacking.' -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread jon zingale
Frank says: "The Republic by Plato" Merle says: "Clearly the implicit bias is that all of these reading requirements were written by White men." One point that interests me here is the determination that Plato was white. Perhaps he should be considered white: he likely owned slaves, he was educate

Re: [FRIAM] actual vs potential ∞

2020-08-03 Thread jon zingale
In 2011, my buddy Ralf offered me a summer *artist in residence* in Eugene Oregon. We attended the 10th Annual Oregon Programming Languages Summer School[⏧], where a few days were spent in a giant lecture hall full of mostly young men fiddling with Coq. One night, he and I even ran into Benjamin Pi

Re: [FRIAM] Ron Graham obituary | Mathematics | The Guardian

2020-08-03 Thread jon zingale
Thanks for posting this. Ronald Graham was pretty great. It was really cool to see Fan Chung, Paul Erdős and him developing mathematics together in the documentary 'N is a number'. He was one of the mathematicians I would have loved to have met. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/

Re: [FRIAM] How is a vector space like an evolutionary function?

2020-08-03 Thread jon zingale
To the extent that I understand Nick's idea, a satisfactory theory of evolutionary function must admit a means for describing epiphenomena and crucially this epiphenomena must be non-mysterious. The theory may be considered useful if it distinguishes goals from designs, and presents testable relati

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-04 Thread jon zingale
Wow, it occurs to me that forming a D&D like campaign, set in the modern world, where the player characters are an adventuring party formed of Snowden (wizard), Depardieu (bard), and Seagal (barbarian) would be amazing! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -.

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-04 Thread jon zingale
During the 2016 election, I tried to convince some programmer friends to help me make an android game in Unity. The premise was to be a 1 level rip off of the Jurassic Park video game from the 90s. The main character would throw bottles of suntan lotion at a T-rex with Trump's head. Trump's face wo

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-04 Thread jon zingale
Nick, you have just outlined the dream. The hope was to sell these at 99 cents per download. The market for such disposable distractions appears to be firmly established, and potentially profitable. Further, to pull a variant of a Moby, redirecting the profits to one campaign or another could poten

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-04 Thread jon zingale
now I kind of want a Jon Zingale bobble head doll. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/lis

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-05 Thread jon zingale
haha, yeah, and perhaps something analogous to Twitch crates. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/ma

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-05 Thread jon zingale
Somehow this post reminds me of George Bataille's "L’informe": "A dictionary begins when it no longer gives the meaning of words, but their tasks. Thus formless is not only an adjective having a given meaning, but a term that serves to bring things down in the world, generally requiring that each

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-05 Thread jon zingale
FWIW, I occasionally entertain the idea of a *Universal Grammar* for belief[⍦]. The idea being that there may be some genetic component of the belief faculty, and that by analogy to universal grammar, one acquires competence in one's own beliefs through performance[⌂][◇]. At any moment, a person ma

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-05 Thread jon zingale
One extreme reason is that the intersection may be empty, excluding all individual beliefs (even those that give rise to profitable action, ie. an apt belief[*]) from being true in the Peircean sense. [*] From the paper Glen posted: "A belief is apt if and only if it is successful (i.e., accurate)

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-05 Thread jon zingale
For the record, Dave, I believe Chomsky agrees with you :) Still, my concern persists even when we identify 'universals'. There may be whatever universals and yet remain 'apt beliefs' that we exploit for profit that can *never* be extended to be believed by another. This is to say that in the short

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-05 Thread jon zingale
Further, if we only take what we will agree to in the long-run as truths, then it is very likely that we all aptly believe things that can never be true. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lists

Re: [FRIAM] ⛧

2020-08-05 Thread jon zingale
The Best Ever Death Metal Band In Denton https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IsXKMkDAMQ -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscrib

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-05 Thread jon zingale
Maybe underfitting? Would you mind fleshing out the connection, more? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfis

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-05 Thread jon zingale
Ha, yeah. Originally, I had only meant to compare two (potentially hallucinatory) modalities that I find myself humoring. On the one hand, an arborescent ordering of my world (universal grammar of belief), and on the other something more like a nomadic exploration of a rhizome. As a sort of side co

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-05 Thread jon zingale
Sunchokes are very tasty. Do they grow easily out where you are? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Thought of another way, I can interpret Peirce-truthiness in terms of alethic operators. Let's say that an apt-belief is Peirce-true if it belongs to the collection of everyone's potential apt-beliefs, in other words, they will be found to be necessarily apt-believable (□). This leaves the collecti

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
I am so happy to hear that there may be hope for growing sunchokes here in town. Sarah is always looking for plants that do well in this climate, and can even be sympathetic to plants others find unsavory for their voraciousness (tree of heaven, for instance). She likes the weeds for their compost

Re: [FRIAM] How is a vector space like an evolutionary function?

2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
For those algorithmically inclined readers, I coded up the examples in Haskell. While the soberSort, keyShuffle, and compositeSort could each be written in a few lines, I took the time to build out a KeySortable type class and wrote the examples relative to it. There are 4 files involved: Spandel.h

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Ha, yeah, the goat heads are useless. I am one of those heathens that like the taste of sunchokes raw. Amaranth is pretty great and I like their wine-colored tops. Does it do very well here? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. .

Re: [FRIAM] Sunchoke rhizomes

2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Ha, scratch that, I didn't realize that *terror of the earth* gives humans more sexiness powers. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Nick, Nick, > One little scrap I can grasp at here, and perhaps make a contribution. > There is a subtle point, perhaps a weakness in Peirce, to which the term > "believable" points. Note the mode. "believable--that which is readily > believed." But Peirce is pointing not to that but to "th

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Nick, Running my Haskell model produces an output to the screen that one can view as doing the thing we expect, but I doubt it will tell you anything you didn't already know. It could have been written in many different ways, but I choose to separate out the details of the implementation so that t

Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.

2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Ha, ok. It would take a couple of hours or the better part of a weekend to make something aesthetically satisfying. I rather like how the compositeSort turned out :) -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Ha! It's good to see that 7 years later the advice is effectively the same, "Hey Nick! listen to what the Haskell crowd has to say about your problem!!!" -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lists

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Nick, When not much is happening on the list, I like to go spelunking through the archives and engage the serendipity of the stacks. What amazes me most is how often the same ideas, conversations, and approaches have materialized since 2003. With so much content here, I wonder to what extent a bot

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-06 Thread jon zingale
Maybe Friam itself could be my hammer? Nick, if you would like to chat programming languages tomorrow on zoom I would love to. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p

[FRIAM] Programming Languages

2020-08-07 Thread jon zingale
I figured it was time again to start an opinions on programming languages free for all. Functional rules while imperative drools. Objects are fine, but it's better to know what you are doing! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-.

[FRIAM] Iconik on the weekend

2020-08-08 Thread jon zingale
I really love sitting outside at Iconik in the morning to get some writing done, away from my house, and a crying baby I love. Usually, it is no trouble at all to be socially distant from others and comfortably situated so as to focus. Weekends, however, perhaps not such a good time to be there. Si

Re: [FRIAM] ethnography and information systems

2020-08-08 Thread jon zingale
When McWhorter came to the Lensic on one of his tours, he made a rhetorically powerful argument against the Whorfian hypothesis in natural languages. I now tend to side with him, even though I cannot really remember the structure of his argument. On the other hand, SteveS makes a great point regard

Re: [FRIAM] Iconik on the weekend

2020-08-08 Thread Jon Zingale
Maybe there is something of the goal-function distinction going on here. While a person would need to quarantine if they moved here, a person visiting can signal another that they are visiting without blowing their cover. A person who has lived here for a while might know where the 'square' is, whi

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread jon zingale
Yes, but who will write the definitive book style guide for *sabir*[†], the _man_ able to do what the British did for the Ramayana! [†] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Lingua_Franca -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread jon zingale
... and what about the connections between a revolutionary function of vulgarity[⁕], and dissent from legitimized grammar and style? [⁕] https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/05/the-necessity-of-political-vulgarity -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-.

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread jon zingale
... and just for additional fun, Glen recently posted this video of Stephen Pinker on style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5J6BfToSw&feature=youtu.be&t=1455 The link above is queued to the moment where Strunk and White recommend (while using the passive voice) avoiding the passive voice.

Re: [FRIAM] Fundamental Theorems

2020-08-09 Thread jon zingale
This is really great! Even if only aesthetically, I appreciate seeing Hilbert's Nullstellensatz beside Fermat's little theorem. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p

Re: [FRIAM] Quantum Woo Again

2020-08-09 Thread jon zingale
Sarah dared me to google any connection between Heidegger and Hilbert's Nullstellensatz. I ran across this researcher's presentation on the dynamics of duality: http://www2.kobe-u.ac.jp/~mkikuchi/mla2016maruyama.pdf stalking the author a bit further, it looks like he would be great to have as a vF

Re: [FRIAM] Abducktion

2020-08-09 Thread jon zingale
Agreed! Pinker is a smug jerk. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.co

Re: [FRIAM] Programming Languages

2020-08-10 Thread jon zingale
This looks pretty interesting. Recently, Marcus posted on FRP models which seem to be an alternative (to actor models) route to solving similar problems. Do you have any insight as to their comparative qualities? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. ..

Re: [FRIAM] Fran Allen

2020-08-10 Thread jon zingale
Even now, as I reflect on some algebraically inspired code connecting cellular automata and convolutions to comonadic structures and free algebras, I wonder what it would be like to chat with someone like her. What sits at the end of Enoch's ladder for those theorists that seek perfection through t

Re: [FRIAM] Quantum Woo Again

2020-08-11 Thread jon zingale
Ha, right!? I feel very fortunate for this Sarah-dipity (and the path dependence of grooming one's Google). Thanks for pointing to this paper, I was not familiar with Prior's tonk or the failings of local reduction. Now I am now enjoying the rabbit hole :) Somewhere down the rabbit hole, I find: h

Re: [FRIAM] Quantum Woo Again

2020-08-12 Thread jon zingale
> I wish I'd had this quote from Maruyama's paper in hand last Friday: "(intensional differences between extensionally equivalent programs do matter in computer science)". "I think that bubble sort would be the wrong way to go" - Obama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4RRi_ntQc8 Do you find a pay

Re: [FRIAM] Quantum Woo Again

2020-08-12 Thread jon zingale
Cool, I suppose that it makes good enough sense to interpret *tonk* through the lens of an Abelian category. It is where my intuition goes as well, Gentzen gives the introduction rules as the unit to some adjunction and the elimination rules as the counit to some adjunction. Tonk-like connectives a

Re: [FRIAM] Quantum Woo Again

2020-08-12 Thread jon zingale
Maybe Kirsten Wickelgren could be included in your program? Integrability Result for 𝔸^1-Euler Numbers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weh-voz-92U -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zo

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-16 Thread jon zingale
Please excuse the Cassandrafreude, but here we are nearly 7 months later and we now have the app, it is called the U.S Postal Service. Will the app manage to escape any of Dave's points of critique? It is beginning to occur to me that manifesting beside the rise of bad-faith science (bogus climate

Re: [FRIAM] guidance requested

2020-08-19 Thread jon zingale
Her blog is pretty great, I very much appreciate her thoughtful exposition. Back in May, I got on the pre-order list for her book "Topology: A Categorical Approach" (with Tyler Bryson and John Terilla). I am happy to see that it finally arrived in my mailbox today! -- Sent from: http://friam.471

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-19 Thread jon zingale
Eric, Yes, what are the next actionable steps? In an upstream post I wrote: "Maybe a little flippantly and without dragging this entire post into design details, the voting app needs little more than a Facebook like-button, a Redis server, authentication, and a light-weight rest API. If the idea

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-19 Thread jon zingale
The current administration enjoys making *big moves* both in rhetoric and action, all establishment without fortification. The 20th-century weiqi master, Go Seigen, is known for a remarkable strategy that may find an analog here. Go Seigen would often cede the biggest moves to his opponent while pl

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
Sure my tongue-was-in-cheek wrt redirecting 1/9 of the U.S military budget to fund solving this problem, maybe it does detract from my main point. Fixing the problem of wasteful decadence is also not on the docket for me this pass through. I feel a lot can be said about what a culture burns its res

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
*My worry was that a voting system should not be mysterious* Again, and hopefully for the last time on this post: I _do_ think this is possible and I _am_ suggesting ideas that could be used as a starting point (given that higher level wizards are prone to navel-gazing and collecting social securi

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
Agreed. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://fria

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
You are helping me to understand how Republicans win elections. They hire the data scientists and we give them tenure. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-

[FRIAM] Myth of the Given

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
"Maybe postmodernism itself stands between me and screen..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we6cwmzhbBE -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/vir

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
Steve, I felt that the analogy was attractive. Ah, CA... This week I made real progress on a long backburnered CA project of my own. A little over a decade ago, I ran across this blog post on realizing cellular automata as comonadic evaluation[☱]. Since then, I have wanted to generalize the result

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
Ah yeah, "He not busy being born is busy dying..." -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/list

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
Steve, MAKIF'AT writes: “Books are catnip – or porn, if you want to be vulgar about it - to me, and if they’re in plain sight, well, I’m going to be looking at them.  I’m also gonna hightail it out after the meeting and look up as many of the titles as I can remember to see if they should go on my

Re: [FRIAM] Myth of the Given

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
I rather liked his characterization of Derrida's work as *all is text*, and that the best we can do from the privileged perspective of logos is to compare descriptions. [1] "As analytic philosophers might prefer to put it, thought and language are capable of determining things only up to isomorphi

Re: [FRIAM] Myth of the Given

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
Haha, yeah, I really like his style. Unlike Foucault, who in my opinion is too focused on power for my personal reading tastes, Derrida seems to write what he does for the pure pleasure of the hunt. His 'Of Grammatology' is one of those books that I cannot read often or easily, but when I do slow d

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
Huh, cool. Piqued my interest, I should probably order a copy :) -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
Steve - Are you saying that DT tenukis every move? It appears to me that the Dems follow him around the board. While the latter is most certainly a beginner mistake, the former (if memory serves) was the sound advice given to a young Janice Kim from her father. idk, I will ask her next I see her.

Re: [FRIAM] Myth of the Given

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
With respect to Foucault, I wish to express gratitude to him for his introduction to 'Madness and Civilization'[⛵]. He gives a brief and engaging account of how the treatment of madmen in European society underwent a notable inversion, and to my unkeen eye, one paralleled in both the treatment of g

Re: [FRIAM] guidance requested

2020-08-20 Thread jon zingale
Her book is the book I wish I would have had while taking point-set topology. Chapter 3 is particularly good and well-motivated with thoughtful examples. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lists

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-21 Thread jon zingale
Absentee voting is a technology ushered in during (for military) and after the civil war (for civilians). I would not say that this *Tool doesn't solve problems*. If I were to substitute *absentee voting* in for tools and technology in your post, I am not sure how you distinguish absentee voting ge

Re: [FRIAM] Myth of the Given

2020-08-21 Thread jon zingale
I think that it is interesting that the lecturer introduces this position as an extension of structuralism. Where do you stand with the earlier assertion: "As analytic philosophers might prefer to put it, thought and language are capable of determining things only up to isomorphism". Do you also fe

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread jon zingale
Glen, It is a bit frustrating to see so many misattributions to my writing in your posts. It is ok if you don't grok what I am saying, but please do not misattribute. Many of your criticisms were already addressed in the writing. For instance, I am not suggesting a homogenized replacement of the c

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread jon zingale
Glen, I can see that you are in a bad mood. Again, I have addressed these issues in writing already. To take a play from your book: READ THE CODE! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zo

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread jon zingale
Glen (and hopefully not one of your bots >8^D), The 'code' exists as the writings I have already produced. You are making claims that are not in the writing. Since it has already been written once, I don't really wish to re-write. Even this sidebar of bickering in-post is lame. I am simply not sug

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