Re: [FRIAM] a davew-ism

2025-02-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
Consider a (hyper) box of available knowledge. Knowledge includes skills and descriptions of experiences. We live our lives visiting different but overlapping small parts of this box. LLMs vacuum-up more knowledge than any one person can consume or create. With steadily increasing fidelit

Re: [FRIAM] a davew-ism

2025-02-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
You reported Claude reacting yesterday, changing how it imported a math function into JavaScript. I often use "git diff" with Claude to let it take a crack at what changed in a codebase to cause a bug. Claude is happy to read diffs. Imagine instead of "git diff", "world diff". Those dif

Re: [FRIAM] a davew-ism

2025-02-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
In Alex Garland's Civil War, the protagonists remark on people in the heartland that are “trying to pretend this isn’t happening". IRL, with both Trump 1.0 and 2.0 I recall people saying they would stop reading the news until the country returned to normal. It seems there are examples of peop

[FRIAM] a davew-ism

2025-02-13 Thread Prof David West
A very personal narrative that you might not want to engage. If so, please simply ignore and delete. Centers on the question of AI “intelligence/consciousness.” 1-I started reading by the age of four, mostly comic books (some were quasi-non-fiction, like *Donald Duck in Mathemagic Land

Re: [FRIAM] a davew-ism

2025-02-13 Thread glen
But Roger's point still stands, AFAIK. I can imagine some group has allocated the resources to an LLM to simply explore, say, mathematics with a APIs to things like Sage, Lean, et al. All it would take is for some importation of a real random number that pricks the LLM to go query the APIs with

Re: [FRIAM] a davew-ism

2025-02-13 Thread steve smith
On 2/13/25 11:33 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Consider a (hyper) box of available knowledge.  Knowledge includes skills and descriptions of experiences.   We live our lives visiting different but overlapping small parts of this box. I've been ideating on LLMs as high dimensional information ma

Re: [FRIAM] OpenAI and the fight between Elon and Sam

2025-02-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
Propositions: 1) Musk is an accelerationist that wants to redirect federal funds to things he thinks are worthy. This has the convenient overlap with his business endeavors. Trump (and gullible Americans) were the means to do that. Medicare, Social Security, veterans benefits, education, fo

Re: [FRIAM] OpenAI and the fight between Elon and Sam

2025-02-13 Thread steve smith
Marcus - I think you explicate the nut of the Musk-Trump axis here. I'm guessing there is an equally succinct/pithy version for the Trump/Putin axis. - Steve Propositions: 1) Musk is an accelerationist that wants to redirect federal funds to things he thinks are worthy.   This has the co

Re: [FRIAM] OpenAI and the fight between Elon and Sam

2025-02-13 Thread steve smith
On 2/13/25 12:39 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: "Elon really wants to save the world - but only if it's him who does it." -- Sam Altman and save it in his own image (that one impressed on him by too much "old fashioned future" SciFi?) I sometimes worry that Musk in his "autism-spectrum" affect a

Re: [FRIAM] a davew-ism

2025-02-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
The hazards of adult life have distanced me somewhat from these drivers, but I remember as a young adult often staying up all night to make progress on a project or just because I felt like the relevant facts were hot in cache. One could imagine within or across datacenter migrating work acco

Re: [FRIAM] a davew-ism

2025-02-13 Thread steve smith
On 2/13/25 1:34 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: The hazards of adult life have distanced me somewhat from these drivers, but I remember as a young adult often staying up all night to make progress on a project or just because I felt like the relevant facts were hot in cache. One could imagine withi

Re: [FRIAM] a davew-ism

2025-02-13 Thread steve smith
glen wrote: But what the LLMs don't yet have, I think, is that interestingness drive, the willingness to destroy ourselves merely to find something, anything *interesting*. For interestingness, we're willing to open the surprisal flood gates and risk our entire minds/bodies to be destroyed ..

Re: [FRIAM] OpenAI and the fight between Elon and Sam

2025-02-13 Thread cody dooderson
I want to like Musk. At one point I did, for the reasons mentioned above. I am suspicious that his neuro-link is malfunctioning and destroying his empathy. That being said, I am hopeful that he brings the metric system to the USA, and somehow doesn't end up in charge of the nuclear weapons arsenal

Re: [FRIAM] OpenAI and the fight between Elon and Sam

2025-02-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
"Elon really wants to save the world - but only if it's him who does it." -- Sam Altman From: Friam On Behalf Of cody dooderson Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:33 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] OpenAI and the fight between Elon and Sam

Re: [FRIAM] a davew-ism

2025-02-13 Thread glen
While I agree about many of us thinking the analogy is weaker than it is, I disagree that the surprisal registered by Claude when it was working for a clean evaluation is similar to our surprisal minimization. Dave tried to address this with his comment about hallucinogens in contrast to positi