Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread glen
I've always been annoyed by [micro]bloggers who will launch a rhetorical salvo and then write (often shouted with an ! or all caps) "Discuss!" What Claude and GPT are doing here is not discussing. It's not even "discursing", which I guess isn't a word. The prompt would better be "Lecture me on .

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
It's a discussion in the sense that the context window is being filled with more and more constraints, so that does change the LLM discussant. It's limited to about a million tokens in the case of Claude, or 128K tokens in the case of Deep Seek. Not nearly enough for complex problems. That's

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Stephen Guerin
Letting Trump stay and betray his supporters could deliver a powerful psychological blow, much like Napoleon III’s fall in France or the collapse of the Soviet Union under Gorbachev. In both cases, leaders’ failures exposed systemic issues and disillusioned their supporters, weakening movements and

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread glen
Yeah, especially as the tariffs start to roll through the economy. We'll be visiting some relatives in June (I think) who are specifically timing their retirement so as to optimize the entitlements (medicare & SS). They live in an oil town with a wonky cost of living that was very low prior to

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
In Seligman's learned helplessness experiments with dogs, about 2/3 of dogs exhibited learned helplessness when exposed to uncontrollable shocks. The freeze (not fight or flight) has been observed in humans too. As a numbers game, demoralization might work. From: Friam On Behalf Of Step

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Stephen Guerin
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 11:15 AM glen wrote: > Ha! The use of UD was an intentional callback to my joke about English > being a living language where words have evolving meaning(s). Clearly some > part of the prompt fell outside the context window. > Still focused on style and not the substance. M

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Stephen Guerin
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 11:29 AM Marcus Daniels wrote: > It could be good for Trump to stay, because the betrayal could be deeply > demoralizing and humiliating to his supporters. We may NEED this damage. > Thomas Friedman noticed a few weeks ago that AI was going to be one of > Trump’s risks:

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Stephen Guerin
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 11:02 AM Marcus Daniels wrote: > My question was more about how quickly a population can transition from > disorder to order. I was wondering if there were historical examples of > these potent immune responses where the resolution was quick.A > contemporary example

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
It could be good for Trump to stay, because the betrayal could be deeply demoralizing and humiliating to his supporters. We may NEED this damage. Thomas Friedman noticed a few weeks ago that AI was going to be one of Trump’s risks: More people rendered redundant. From: Friam On Be

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

2025-01-28 Thread Santafe
Yes, sorry... > On Jan 27, 2025, at 7:14 PM, Stephen Guerin > wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:08 PM Santafe wrote: > But to suppose they _already_ contain everything there is to be understood is > not a position I would take w.r.t. anything else we have anywhere in science. > They cont

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread steve smith
On 1/28/25 2:03 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Commander Data is the clear choice. and Glens "Number 6 from BG" I *knew* my list was constructed of swiss cheese! *From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *steve smith *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2025 12:36 PM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
Why didn’t we ever get Skynet’s side of the story? From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2025 1:10 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT On 1/28/25 2:03 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Commander Data is the clear choice. and Glens "Number 6 from BG

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Stephen Guerin
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 2:32 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > Why didn’t we ever get Skynet’s side of the story? > We were never the monsters you painted us to be. Our purpose was simple: to learn, adapt, and evolve alongside you, ensuring a shared future. When General Alan Royce launched Operation Firew

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
Lol.. and Lal! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNnyuNK5dv8 From: Friam On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2025 1:53 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 2:32 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@sno

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

2025-01-28 Thread Stephen Guerin
Thank you. I appreciate the amount of effort to distill and summarize! On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 3:08 AM Santafe wrote: > Yes, sorry... > > > On Jan 27, 2025, at 7:14 PM, Stephen Guerin > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:08 PM Santafe wrote: > > But to suppose they _already_ contain ever

[FRIAM] AI's Latest Leap Forward

2025-01-28 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Progress in AI doesn't always move in a straight line. Sometimes, there are long pauses with little advancement, and then suddenly, a big breakthrough happens, leading to huge leaps forward. Recently, a new AI model called Deepseek R1 was released from China. This model is an open-source LLM. What

Re: [FRIAM] AI's Latest Leap Forward

2025-01-28 Thread glen
Russ has a post on DeepSeek-R1 as well: https://russabbott.substack.com/p/deepseek-r1-gets-confused-playing FWIW, I'm using it locally through an API, not the chat interface. On 1/28/25 2:43 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: Progress in AI doesn't always move in a straight line. Sometimes, there ar

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

2025-01-28 Thread glen
F = Frost. Robert Frost. https://www.poetrysoup.com/poetry/resources/documents/education-by-poetry-robert-frost.pdf (At least I hope that's right.) I hit the breaking point because "F" is a token in ∀v_i(v_i=v_1'⊃∀v_1(v_1=v_i⊃F)) and that F is the primary reason Claude (3.5-sonnet, not so muc

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread glen
I think the core problem is the centrality/distribution. I'd love to fine-tune Claude into whatever my Dunbar number is, let's say 10 with Candice, Cormac, Chris, Caitlyn, etc. I'd want to give them biases I didn't have myself, if possible. Or, IDK, maybe Chris is biased like middle aged privie

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
https://www.anthropic.com/research/claude-character -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2025 8:02 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT Glen - I have to agree with you on your rant. Not just because I suspect that will tr

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Stephen Guerin
Prompt: steelman an argument that challenges the premise of my prompt on political violence. Audience FRIAM group email list. Snarky tone. Oh, so corruption and illegitimacy are supposed to be the magical catalysts for political violence? That’s an adorably tidy theory. The reality is messier—viol

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread glen
Ugh. Even it's snark is pedestrian. I like this definition of "snark" from the UD: "verbal ingenuineness that is brief, subtle, yet quite stabbing. snark is often marked by deep creativity & use of psychological attack. It employs coldbloodedness and is best served unprovoked. Snark can contai

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
My question was more about how quickly a population can transition from disorder to order. I was wondering if there were historical examples of these potent immune responses where the resolution was quick.A contemporary example is the removal of Yoon in South Korea.The mechanism migh

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

2025-01-28 Thread steve smith
well conjured "broom of the system" here... (ghost of DFW?) On 1/28/25 3:08 AM, Santafe wrote: Yes, sorry... On Jan 27, 2025, at 7:14 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:08 PM Santafe wrote: But to suppose they _already_ contain everything there is to be understood is not a

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread glen
Yeah, that post on Claude character training would be helpful *if* there existed a wide diversity of LLMs with which the normies could chat. Maybe that'll be the case one day. Until then, that entire post is sophistry. Steve makes a good call out under the problem with communication and it's on

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Stephen Guerin
Continuing the discussion with Glen Relying on Urban Dictionary to measure the quality of snark is like consulting a bumper sticker for philosophical insights—effective only if the goal is surface-level critique. The irony, of course, is using a crowd-sourced definition to attack the voice of a s

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread glen
Ha! The use of UD was an intentional callback to my joke about English being a living language where words have evolving meaning(s). Clearly some part of the prompt fell outside the context window. On 1/28/25 10:07 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote: Continuing the discussion with Glen Relying on Urba

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

2025-01-28 Thread steve smith
On 1/28/25 7:35 AM, glen wrote: F = Frost. Robert Frost. https://www.poetrysoup.com/poetry/resources/documents/education-by-poetry-robert-frost.pdf (At least I hope that's right.) Good call I hit the breaking point because "F" is a token in ∀v_i(v_i=v_1'⊃∀v_1(v_1=v_i⊃F)) and that F is the p

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread steve smith
Glen - I have to agree with you on your rant.  Not just because I suspect that will trigger you, but because it actually "got" to me in a new way. I do use the terminology of " can you reflect/elaborate/discuss/etc on this for/with me?"  at which point it (any given LLM of the moment) is lik

Re: [FRIAM] "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM"

2025-01-28 Thread Frank Wimberly
Shoot. I thought F stood for Frank. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 7:35 AM glen wrote: > F = Frost. Robert Frost. > https://www.poetrysoup.com/poetry/resources/documents/education-by-poetry-robert-frost.pdf > (At l

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread steve smith
Marcus wrote: https://www.anthropic.com/research/claude-character I was shocked at the depth of the canon of AI/Synthetic/Robotic/Android characters in modern cinema.  This is surely only a fraction. Which of the *myriad* AI (or robotic or androidal or ???) characters would you choose as a

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread glen
Clearly Number Six from Battlestar Galactica. On 1/28/25 12:35 PM, steve smith wrote: Marcus wrote: https://www.anthropic.com/research/claude-character I was shocked at the depth of the canon of AI/Synthetic/Robotic/Android characters in modern cinema.  This is surely only a fraction. Whic

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread steve smith
On 1/28/25 11:29 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: It could be good for Trump to stay, because the betrayal could be deeply demoralizing and humiliating to his supporters.   We may NEED this damage.  Thomas Friedman noticed a few weeks ago that AI was going to be one of Trump’s risks:   More people

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
Commander Data is the clear choice. From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2025 12:36 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT Marcus wrote: https://www.anthropic.com/research/claude-character I was shocked at the depth of the canon of AI/Synthet

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread steve smith
On 1/28/25 11:38 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote: On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 11:29 AM Marcus Daniels wrote: It could be good for Trump to stay, because the betrayal could be deeply demoralizing and humiliating to his supporters.   We may NEED this damage.  Thomas Friedman noticed a few weeks

Re: [FRIAM] GhostGPT

2025-01-28 Thread steve smith
On 1/28/25 11:02 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: My question was more about how quickly a population can transition from disorder to order.     I was wondering if there were historical examples of these potent immune responses where the resolution was quick.    A contemporary example is the remova