Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance

2024-10-15 Thread steve smith
I hope I'm not (just) muddying the water here, but I think "buffered from the remedies of law" might be better than "above the law"?  I think it applies not to just the wealthy and powerful but to other ideosyncratic reasons like obscurity, anonymity, unpredictable-behaviour, etc... On 10/15/

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance

2024-10-15 Thread glen
Well, OK. I agree with the gist. But rather than target Congress, the Admin, and bureaucrats, I'd target wealthy people, whatever their day job might be. There are people mostly above the law. Musk is one of them. But more importantly, there's a couple of handfuls of companies that own the worl

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance

2024-10-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
Jump out of your car when driving on the freeway or inject bleach to kill the COVID, and enjoy Your Truth. From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2024 11:03 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance Eric, Going all po

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance

2024-10-15 Thread Santafe
You know, I don’t mind the phrase “above the law”. It may not be tailored to lower-level mechanistic arguing about one or another case, but it acknowledges a system context in which a society will operate under some kind of hierarchy of prerogatives. I don’t normally think about law in such hi

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance

2024-10-15 Thread Prof David West
Eric, Going all postmodern on you — there is no such thing as *Truth*, only *Somebody's Truth*. This is painfully evident at the moment in the fallacy of "fact checking," all the assertions of "misinformation," and "follow the science." I do not see totalitarians of any stripe engaged in 'dest

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance

2024-10-15 Thread glen
I agree. We're dancing around the meaning of "above the law" and it's a terrible phrase. But people use it. So you have to have some way to parse it (again, based on the *rest* of whatever it is someone says). Hardline positions like what Jochen and Dave are taking can help develop such parsing

[FRIAM] Art test

2024-10-15 Thread glen
https://forms.gle/J24TiJ7e4tbX5oBPA AI Art Turing Test Here are fifty pictures. Some of them (not necessarily exactly half) were made by humans; the rest are AI-generated. Please guess which are which. Please don't download them onto your computer, zoom in, or use tools besides the naked eye

Re: [FRIAM] Art test

2024-10-15 Thread Russ Abbott
Perhaps it's my lack of expertise, but this strikes me as a great test. I went through once and felt somewhat confident about only one or two. I'll go back and make decisions. I expect my score to be about 50%, i.e., random. -- Russ On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 11:13 AM glen wrote: > > https://forms

Re: [FRIAM] Art test

2024-10-15 Thread Jon Zingale
"I read somewhere (I can't remember where exactly but I believe on Mastodon) that LLMs are like money laundering for art." Yeah, I feel like LLMs challenge the idea that *separation of concerns* can even be a thing. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied C

Re: [FRIAM] Art test

2024-10-15 Thread Jochen Fromm
I read somewhere (I can't remember where exactly but I believe on Mastodon) that LLMs are like money laundering for art. It is a kind of data laundering for copyrighted works of art. The copyrighted sources are hidden by a long learning process. LLMs are trained on massive datasets and often rep