Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
The Agile versus Waterfall contrast sounds like a variation of Exploration versus Exploitation. I'm glad nuclear decommissioning isn't running Reinforcement Learning, that could lead to some very unfortunate explorations. It's odd to hear Residual Bias spoken of as something that should eventuall

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread Prof David West
Roger, I love this post. Although NOT what you intended, I find it a scathing (if a bit indirect) indictment of scientism (the privileging of the scientific method) and of Pierce's truth as reasoned consensus philosophy. i can only hope to meet an unbiased LLM. Maybe as entertaining and enlight

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread steve smith
regarding co-constructing and LLMs/ML/AI/Chatbots:  I'm just now reading through Harari's Nexus (brief history of information networks) and still/re-enamored of his regular use of "intersubjective reality" as what it is we co-create... and in particular all things we identify as "culture" being

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread steve smith
On 9/15/24 9:40 AM, Prof David West wrote: Roger, I love this post. Although NOT what you intended, I find it a scathing (if a bit indirect) indictment of scientism (the privileging of the scientific method) and of Pierce's truth as reasoned consensus philosophy i can only hope to meet an u

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
How do we hold LLM (companies) accountable for their tool’s suggestions other showing their chain of reasoning and showing the evidence for the axioms they adopt? That is, by adopting the scientific methods. Can we expect LLMs to have “other ways of knowing”? If not, why not? From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread steve smith
Are LLMs nothing if not the epitome of  "gestalting" (aka "other ways of knowing")? for better and/or worse? On 9/15/24 2:08 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: How do we hold LLM (companies) accountable for their tool’s suggestions other showing their chain of reasoning and showing the evidence for

Re: [FRIAM] affinity for chatbots

2024-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
People have individualized, opaque to solve problems, but when it matters – law, medicine, and technical persuasion – more formalized systems are used to convey their arguments. LLMs already do this, with OpenAI’s scoring > 90% on formal logic and mathematics [1], with skill in a wide range of